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Connolly had 34 and AOC had 27, but there is a full caucus vote tomorrow.

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Could you explain what this means? I learned a lot back in 2016, a bit more in 2020, but find I’m still a bit ignorant.

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In the US House there are 16 committees. There are ranking chairs and minority chairs for each committee, along with committee members. The ranking chairs are for the majority, in this Congress the Republicans. The minority chairs are, of course, for the Dems. The chairs dictate subjects, schedule and rules. The Republicans choose their chairs, the Democrats vote for theirs. AOC is running for the minority chair of the Oversight Committee, which is the main investigative committee of Congress. They took a straw vote today and AOC lost, but all of the Dems will vote tomorrow.

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Thank you for the overview. I wasn’t aware of these nuances. Our system is so damned complicated.

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The ghoul strikes again.

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Shit like this (Pelosi putting her thumb on the scale) is why people are questioning if they’ll ever vote Democrat again.

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if trump keeps his promise- and this is one time I actually believe him- we won’t ever have to vote democrat again!

(because he’ll fuck over democracy and make that illegal.)

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I don’t see an alternative and it’s making me hate democracy.

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I don’t see an alternative

I want to point out how this (and I’m not doing this to single it you out, but you offer an example example of how a) lack of imagination about what is possible, is the precise kind of lack of vision that brought people to the conclusion that we “had” to support Biden in the primary, because you “can’t challenge an incumbent”: they were wrong. His brain was melting out of his ears and the establishment was telling you to not believe your lying eyes and ears. Authority takes advantage of this cynicisim and abuses you with it.

Its the kind of mindset that results in “Kamala has to be the nominee”, because she’s the only viable option; turns out, she wasn’t viable. We were told she had to turn to the right, to “get centrists”; turns out, there were no centrists. We were told her campaigning with Liz Cheney was 8d chess because she’ll get “never Trump Republicans”. How’d that work out.

We’ve been conditioned into a cynical fatalism, one that is truly not borne out by reality: it does not predict the future. I can not make that point any more emphatically. This toxic fatalism is in-opposition to the results we have on hand. New ways are possible, constantly. I have no problem with either cynicism or fatalism. However, I do have a problem with a world view being expressed which doesn’t predict future states of the world. BNMW, Blue Maga, the cynical fatalists who had elevated themselves into moderators of the Democratic process this election cycle: their cynical reductive fatalism is why Democrats can’t do better. Not because it isn’t possible, but because they refuse to ask for it, and for MONTHS they refused to allow the kinds of conversations necessary to carve and change a candidate like Harris into one who could get elected.

If anyone, here there or elsewhere, was suppressing speech challenging the narratives or strategies of the Harris campaign or Democratic party, challenges that would have led to a more viable candidate had they addressed them: these are the true enemies of democracy. There is a reason why Free Speech is the first amendment. It goes beyond what the government is allowed to do or not do: its about what we’re allowed to say or not allowed to say. Its about who has power, and who is allowed to challenge existing narratives. We can absolutely change this world, but first, we have to work on ourselves, and the communities we are a part of. This cynicism is a cancer we need to stamp out.

You have all the power you need to already to make the changes. If you need inspiration: Actions speak louder than words. You have to decide if you are part of the resistance or part of a costume party. Which is what some people, recently in the news, have decided.

The future is undefined. Pretending it isn’t is giving in.

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Honestly the party sounds like more fun.

Unless the resistance has guns.

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we “had” to support Biden in the primary

What primary?

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That’s an awful lot of words to say absolutely nothing. What’s your suggested alternative that will get the 70+ million votes you need to stand a chance at the presidential level? Because encouraging people not to vote obviously didn’t work it this time. Unless a Trump win was your goal all along.

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There was no more viable candidate out there in the wings. Dems lost this race before it even started, we just didn’t know it yet, because the vote is decided by how folks in swing states feel about the sitting President’s economic performance—a performance, by the way, which was stellar when compared to other countries. Everything besides the economy is theater.

I wholeheartedly agree with you about one thing, though. Vote for change in local elections. Not necessarily other parties, but the most progressive candidates within the Democratic Party. Change the organization from the bottom up. Reshape it into a more progressive institution.

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More like Americans should just not vote anymore.

Its not a popular take, but I agree that voting probably the least important thing any American could do, politically. Its a misattributed quote but its still a good one:

Voting is the least important thing you can do, politically. There are somethings that have happened recently in the news that have vastly more impact, politically.

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Voting does change things. That’s why Republicans are trying to suppress your vote. So yes people do want to make voting illegal because it does change things.

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Then you’ll just get the idiots voting in fascism eventually so you’d be as well to join them to speed it up.

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We just tried the whole “not voting” thing and look what happened.

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I’m never voting Democrat.

edit: It would be election interference on account of being not American.

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And unless they do much, much better in the future, you shouldn’t. Regardless of whether or not you agree with the philosophy of accelerationism, its clear thats the kind of environment we’re in. On the bright side, it might actually be the opening we need to truly break up the two party system.

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Ha!

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You can add me to the list. I voted democrat this previous election in an effort to prevent *gestures around* this, but I didn’t want to for a number of reasons. I don’t trust the green party with Stein. I have no idea what I will do next election. I always vote for the most progressive “local” (I’m an overseas voter, but as long as I have to file taxes and get fucked by the IRS by not being able to use retirement accounts here, I’mma vote) candidate, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything other than D and R in my district except maybe an I once or twice.

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No more. Independent from here on out.

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I did that for years with nothing to show for it. No one ever (metaphorically) came knocking on my door asking how they could win my vote away from a third party. None of the candidates I voted for even came close, except Ross Perot and if he couldn’t do it, I guarantee no one else can. That dude’s whiteboard presentations were watched by 16.5 million people in an age where there were three channels and everyone watched TV. You can’t replicate his success today and he only got 20%

You want to change things, you have to change a major party from within, and that’s the effort of a lifetime, not an election cycle.

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Shit like this (Pelosi putting her thumb on the scale) is why people are questioning if they’ll ever vote Democrat again.

Yep, 100% this is at Pelosi’s feet. Fuck Nancy Pelosi, and honsestly fuck every D Boomer in congress who won’t get out of the way for the younger generations. You are actively holding us back.

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47 points

Cool a 74 year old, that’s the life expectancy of a male in the US.

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Hopefully

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4 points

Somebody arrest this man.

Wait, what’s your salary?

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5 points

A 74-year-old with cancer.

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Senatorial class lives 10-15 years longer than their working counterparts. This is also true outside the US.

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I’m glad congressional Democrats are finally taking steps to deal with their sclerotic, ineffective and increasingly out-of-touch leadership and building a future with younger—oh wait.

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47 points

The future of this country is not in the hands of the Democratic party if this is the way of things.

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Leadership Democrats: Fumble the ball for three downs, then throws an interception

“Well, its no longer my fault if the opposition scores.”

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The democrats still think the populace is smart enough to look at the alternative and choose the less-worse option.

The country proves them wrong at every turn.

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The democrats still think the populace is smart enough to look at the alternative and choose the less-worse option.

The problem is this attitude and the literally brain dead take that this is in any way strategic voting.

Democrats are a “barely, sometimes maybe not, less-worse option”. And they get to stay that way by constantly being presented as the “less-worse” option. But they aren’t. They are the enablers of the “more-worse” option every time. They sell out their base at every turn.

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The thing that made me so pessimistic about the future of this country was when I learned that the people who advised Hillary’s 2016 campaign were still advising Harris’ 2024 campaign. They failed multiple times and the consequences have been catastrophic, but they held on to their positions anyway. I have no reason to think they won’t be back in 2028, because the people who have a say in who gets party leadership are people selected by the old leadership. We need a borderline hostile takeover of the Democrat party, and after Trump did it to the Republicans, the existing powers in the Democrat party only entrenched themselves further.

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the people who advised Hillary’s 2016 campaign were still advising Harris’ 2024 campaign.

And still running the DNC.

Biden and Kamala inherited everything from Hillary, the people behind the scenes are the same, and are still likely listening to Hillary

She’s like our Dick Cheney

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I’d almost believe that Hillary ordered her people to sabotage the campaign if it wasn’t the exact same “centrist” message the establishment Dems have been pushing since Carter.

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They failed multiple times and the consequences have been catastrophic,

They succeeded in the only thing that matters to Democratic leadership: They kept a progressive from winning the nomination.

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The mayor from Jaws 1 was still the mayor in Jaws 2.

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Follow the money.

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The last guy was in his 80s…

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