In over 30 years of practice, Dr. Errol Billinkoff rarely saw a man without kids come into his Winnipeg clinic to get a vasectomy. But since the pandemic began, he says it’s become an almost daily occurrence.
And he’s not alone.
“At first, I thought I was the only one who was noticing this,” Billinkoff, who brought a no-scalpel vasectomy procedure to Winnipeg in the early 1990s, told CBC News in a November interview.
“But I am part of an international chat group where doctors who do vasectomies participate and the topic came up, and it’s like everybody notices it.”
This is what happens when the conservatives threaten the right to an abortion. Drastic measures have to be taken.
No kid should be born unloved or a woman have her life threatened because too many ignorant folks think she is sinful for getting healthcare or evil for not raising more wage slaves for the bourgeoisie.
I disagree but unless we get actual data on why people are choosing not to have kids then we don’t really know for sure.
I’d say the major reason is wealth inequality, cost of living, inflation, housing prices, etc. Everything’s too expensive… everything. It’s getting to the point that life isn’t even worth living anymore, as its just a repetitive cycle to work and pay bills. I both can’t afford to have a kid, nor would I want to bring one into this hellscape.
Again no way to know the real reasons unless we get the data.
One data point and I’m American, but figured I’d give my two cents on why I did it.
In addition to all the reasons you listed I think that my own mental health is an obstacle, and also the increasingly limited access to women’s healthcare.
Making the decision to not have kids was a complex issue for me as I imagine it is for others too. Tbh the political and economic climate was probably the final push I needed, but there’s probably at least 10 reasons in total.
It’s money first and foremost. People are struggling to survive by themselves. They can’t afford kids. So conservatives get rid of abortion. They frame it as a religious issue, but it’s only such for their ignorant followers. For those monied individuals at the top its purely about having an ever growing slave caste to exploit. Can’t have infinitely growing profits without an infinitely growing base of suckers to sell shit to.
It’s also about freedom. Self determination. And the general state of the world. Nothing of substance is being done about climate change. We’re staring down the barrel of WWIII. Late Stage capitalism.
It’s a confluence of factors that taken together paint a particularly bleak future.
Let’s get clear i hate pp and the con as much a everybody here but pp never ever talked about removing abortion rights, he actually said the opposite. I’ll reiterate pp is a loser, he has no real agenda, and his whole camapign is basically fuck trudeau. But he never said abortions right were on the table.
A common sense Conservative government will not legislate on abortion and therefore would never use this section of the Constitution pertaining to this matter," he said.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-same-sex-marriage-abortion-1.7222881
In an interview with Liberal MP Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, who hosts a podcast called Uncommons, Alberta Conservative MP Arnold Viersen also stressed his social conservative credentials on other issues, saying he wants protections for what he calls the “pre-born,” supports Alberta Premier Danielle Smith’s transgender policies and would vote to criminalize cannabis possession again if given the opportunity.
Asked by Erskine-Smith about a hypothetical future bill to overturn same-sex marriage, Viersen said, “I vote gay marriage down.”
In a media statement issued Monday, Poilievre said Viersen’s statements and positions “do not represent the positions of the Conservative Party, or myself as leader.”
“As our party’s policy book, adopted by party members, has said for years, ‘a Conservative Government will not support any legislation to regulate abortion.’ When I am prime minister, no laws or rules will be passed that restrict women’s reproductive choices. Period,” Poilievre added
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rayes-abortion-poilievre-1.7362640
Poilievre has said that if he’s elected prime minister, his government will not support any legislation to regulate abortion.
“As the Party’s policy book, adopted by Party members, has said for years, ‘a Conservative Government will not support any legislation to regulate abortion,’” said Poilievre’s spokesperson, Sebastian Skamski, in a media statement.
“When Canadians elect Pierre Poilievre as Prime Minister, no laws or rules will be passed that restrict women’s reproductive choices. Period.”
Once again just to be clear. Fuck pp and his cons🫡
Yes, but also conservatives are frequently lying bastards who promise to not make things worse and then make things worse. The US supreme court judges aren’t Canadian, but they are conservatives and the recently appointed ones all said that Roe v Wade was settled law and they wouldn’t change it,.
Oh yeah totally, i don’t trust them at all. rich people are pieces of shit and those that cater to them are shit eater.
Here’s another interesring one. Even tough it’s already 2 years old.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/abortion-rights-canada-morgentaler-court-1.6439612
Personally as a french canadian i have the easy way of voting bloc. I might vote for the npd again, but i don’t see Jagmeet ever being able to get over the xenophobia… so yah alot of fun time on the way~🫠
All the conservative mps have voted against support of abortions recently and they’re currently projected to a win a majority government in the future.
I’m sorry, there is an international chat group where a bunch of doctors that perform vasectomies congregate and talk about vasectomies?
I mean, yeah, why not? There are international whatevers for almost anything, specially professional practices. It’s less cumbersome and cheaper than relying on regulatory bodies to organize and run conventions or seminars. Most of these chats are informal and born from that kind of events as well.
Something I also learned from working with the health sector is that there are really very few 100% dedicated to their niche specialists in every area. Sure, there are many heart surgeons, but very few experts on ventricular septal defect surgery on children. And some of that stuff can be so complex as to be a sole area of dedicated study. It allows these kind of informal forums and encourages a strong mentor-apprentice dynamics. So it is not rare they hit the group chat every once in a while. I also learned there are over a dozen different ways to make a vasectomy procedure and some doctors know how to do a few but not all of them and there are reasons to prefer some over the others depending on the patient.
Gotta share the best practices, its like the postmarket os matrix chat where tech enthusiasts support each other improving builds ;)
This implies childless men having sex
- No right to abortion in the United States
- Giving someone who didn’t get asked or consent to being born, the forced existence of life.
- A child for a parent is expensive, mentally draining, and you have to be a good parent
- You also have to be the parent for a child with any special needs, from allergies to mental issues to being born without limbs
- If the child is any form of “other” to society, they will be picked on, and then possible harmed by the rise of Neo-Fascism
- Work or starve, work or be cold, work until you die. Another tax number, another corporate slave.
Being born is fine, once you’re here you should try to live life to its fullest. But I don’t want kids, I would be a horrid father.
Giving someone who didn’t get asked or consent to being born
How do you signal a desire to be born, practically speaking? Who do you contact to indicate your desire to begin existing?
If you don’t want to exist, why not simply surrender your place in line to someone who does?
It’s not some big gotcha: it’s unethical because consent is impossible to achieve. You have to have been alive for quite a number of years before you even have the cognition and experience to form an opinion about existing.
But that doesn’t just mean creating new beings is good because it’s impossible to consent. How would that apply to anything else?? By some logic (if you ignore obvious pain signals) animals can’t “tell” us they don’t consent to being butchered and eaten but that doesn’t make eating meat ethical either (I’m not vegan btw.) Having sex with an unconscious person is rape, because they can’t consent.
There may be suicidal animals who want to be eaten and there are certainly people who enjoy non-consensual sex and people who like being alive and believe their existence is a gift. The outcome still doesn’t excuse the act in these cases.
it’s unethical because consent is impossible to achieve.
That doesn’t logically follow. Ethics isn’t predicated on a universal consensus.
But that doesn’t just mean creating new beings is good because it’s impossible to consent.
There are a host of arguments for and against childbirth in the modern era. Much as there are a host of arguments for and against industrial mining or nuclear power or second hand smoking. But “the non-existent entity can’t signal consent” isn’t a material consideration, its a theological one. You’re assuming an entity capable of consent that isn’t available to converse with.
It’s also totally unprovable. How do you show pre-born people didn’t consent. If we’re going into the idea of unborn souls being dragged out of the ether into mortal bodies, what means to have to prove they weren’t volunteering to be here?
There may be suicidal animals who want to be eaten and there are certainly people who enjoy non-consensual sex and people who like being alive and believe their existence is a gift.
How do you take a breath without asking permission from everyone around you by infringing on their supply oxygen? How do you take a shit without first verifying everyone in your neighborhood approves of the turd you’re adding to their groundwater?
So much of this really does boil down to “My only ethical move is to kill myself”. Like, you’re deliberately backing yourself into this corner, and then complaining that someone else hasn’t relieved you of the burden of pulling the trigger. It isn’t ethical, its infantile. You are, in effect, bemoaning the fact that every aspect of existence isn’t shaped to your personal beliefs.
Antinatalists aren’t suicidal, most likely living, they just understand that life isn’t a gift.
The “I didn’t ask to be born” argument implies a mechanism by which you could ask to be born.
Go down to your local NICU and survey it’s residents. Tell me how many you meet who hold this view in the hours and days after their birth.
Hell, give me a survey of two year olds. Four year olds. Eight year olds, even.
I challenge you to find me any fervent anti-natalist younger than a teenager. I’ll challenge you to find any that aren’t terminally online.
Anti-natalism isn’t a philosophy you’re born into, it’s something you develop over time through rational observation and logical reason. These are two skills you develop after being alive for some time, typically through dialogue with other living people.
They are not conclusions you can instinctively reach in uterus.
Legally speaking, and ethically too, I suppose, parents typically consent for their underage children. They make decisions based on what the parent thinks is in the best interest of their offspring. For some children, their best interest is to never exist. Forced birth is taking medical decisions away from the mother for both the mother and the potential child.
Underpants, you’re pretty smart and I almost always agree with you, but there’s no option for refusing to be born. There’s only one option to stop living willingly, and it’s called suicide.
there’s no option for refusing to be born
There’s no option for volunteering to be born, either. The argument can just as easily be turn on its head.
The idea is anti-natalism is one you develop as a mature rational adult, not one you held prior to your birth.
Think of it as being in a roller coaster. Two minutes into the ride you decide “Too scary, I don’t want to be here” but also acknowledge how it is impractical to get out of your seat in the middle of a loop de loop. So you turn to your friend in the other seat and say “Past me didn’t get consent from future me to be here! That’s unfair!”
You’re asking for something nobody can provide you, even if they wanted to indulge your demands.
Giving someone who didn’t get asked or consent to being born, the forced existence of life.
I’ve never understood that argument. Simple logic states nobody would exist if we asked every sperm and egg before having sex.
Correct, you can’t ask. It’s a question of ethics.
It’s something to just ask. No one was asked to be born. Some where cheated out of a good life. There’s people born into poverty and disease who don’t know a good life. They feel that pain and suffering without the option to go out that isn’t killing themselves.
You weren’t asked, I wasn’t, our parents weren’t, and so on. It’s not evil, it’s just the pure simple fact of “No one was asked to be born into a world where you need to earn money or you will die.”
I still don’t understand.
I’m good with making life less shitty for everyone though.
Why would I force another human into this shitty existence?
Also condoms suck and raw dick is just better.
Wow, I didn’t know it was impossible not to stick your dick in every passing stranger. Here I was only having sex with people I know and who have been tested like a weirdo.
As someone who’s had a vasectomy: it’s very hard to not stick my dick in a total stranger. That MTV advert with the skates is a more than daily occurrence, and I don’t even skate. Luckily, due to my vasectomy, there are no babies.
Only six STDs so far, so could be worse.
ikr Here I am married 23 years and no STD’s from sex. I think HellsBelle comment quite strange but I suppose if you live in the kind of world they seem to be living in then it could be an issue. Do they know that casual sexual intercourse with random people carries an amount of risk even with the protection?
