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You forgot the part where the komodo dragon’s “promised land” was full of Phoenician Canaanites they had to genocide first.

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The same Canaanites from Noah’s son because after everyone was killed by a flood, God deemed Canaan’s blood the good people worth saving?

He sure seemed to fuck it up and have to wipe out humans quite a few times. But that’s what you get for putting a tree in Eden for no other reason but to introduce sin to the innocent and trick humans into thinking Lucifer was the evil one.

And now he loves America. Just don’t tell the Italians.

Starting to see a pattern of bad outcomes for whoever makes a deal with this guy at the time…

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You mean “was full of tasty snacks”.

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In my world understanding colonialism was never good, but anything after ww2 is just invalid. There needs to be some cut off date where we say “at this point everyone knew and we had international laws against genocide” after which it just becomes invalid and any land claimed afterwards is not recognized or supported.

Israel was definitely too late to the colonial party and kinda should be considered illegitimate.

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Israel as a state or the Israeli people? Because most of the jewish immigration to Palestine happened before 1945

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No it didn’t. Most of the Jews came after the Palestine nakba/massacre which made Jews feel unsafe in the middle east (jeez I wonder why, but also not their fault.) the Jews who came before the independence were all European terrorist who built armed settlements and militas Far away from Palestinans and Palestinan Jews as they didn’t support them.

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Let’s read it charitably. Maybe they mean more middle eastern Jews moved to Palestine in the last 6000 years than did europeans in the last 50.

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A little convenient that the cutoff date is after Europeans divided the world for themselves.

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right? all colonial states are illegitimate

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Ofcourse they are, but if you go back to times where colonialism was the norm and in no way internationally frowned upon, then not a single current day country would be legitimate. So it kinda makes sense to set the cut off at a point where colonialism was at an all time low, because if you dont then all you get is world war.

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It’s also a function of how far back are we willing to go? Are we going to split and merge countries? Or is it more important to get representative governments in place for the people that live there?

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Saw an excellent video from some Al Jazeera offshoot yesterday. The guy was explaining the concept that Europeans actually tended to put in minority populations in charge that were sympathetic to their interests - Alawites in Syria, the Hashemite monarchy in Jordan, European Zionists in Palestine - and that the borders were essentially designed for colonial administration instead of representing existing groups.

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i disagree with your logic but you got to the right conclusion so cheers 😆

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The irony would be even greater if they were kicking out birds who they accused of displacing the ancient Dinosaurs.

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Imagine Mongolia just started invading China and be like “MY ANCESTORS USED TO LIVE HERE”

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Yes please. I’ll donate to that gofundme.

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Imagine the Australians descending on London like “Oh yea nah me bluddy rellys is fully from here aye!”

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I would support that. After that Australia can join the EU, and they’re already in Eurovision.

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And maybe do something about the TERF infestation.

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There’s literally a province called Inner Mongolia where the Mongols not just used to live but live to this day.

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This is Turkish nationalists with Turanist dreams

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Depicting Zionists as lizards isn’t great.

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Oh look, someone who thinks all Jews are Zionists and all Zionists are Jewish! I honestly thought they were extinct.

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That’s not the case at all, you can look at my post history if you want to know the things I think.

It’s just you generally want to avoid antisemitic tropes when you’re talking about Zionists because antisemites say Zionist when they mean Jew.

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yes exactly - don’t use an anti-Semitic trope when criticizing Zionism, lest you be confused for an anti-Semite; this weakens the meme significantly and for no good reason (other than maybe to pick up support from conspiracy nuts and right-wingers by using a dog-whistle while still being palatable to people who don’t see the dog-whistle, but this is a bug rather than a feature in my book)

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Are you saying I can’t use the word Zionist because some Nazi scum uses it too?

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