Summary
The Biden administration will allow California to ban new gas-powered car sales by 2035, with 11 other states following. This uses a Clean Air Act waiver permitting stricter state-level pollution controls to curb greenhouse gas emissions.
Trump plans to revoke the waiver, roll back EV tax credits, and fight California’s climate policies, potentially sparking legal battles.
California, leading the U.S. in EV adoption, aims to “Trump-proof” its agenda, bolstered by automaker deals and strong market influence.
The ban could accelerate EV investments, shaping nearly half of the U.S. auto market and global climate policy trends.
I don’t really care for this given the trend of newer car design.
I want to support the environment and all, but an EV car is going to be even worse than an ICE car with having everything controlled by touchscreens and collecting data that the car companies sell off to the highest bidder. It’s harder (if not impossible to customize or repair since the whole thing is based on proprietary software, and the average mechanic isn’t a software engineer.
Why can I just have an EV with a damn button for volume and AC controls?
everything controlled by touchscreens and collecting data that the car companies sell off to the highest bidder
This has nothing to do with the engine type. This is a (valid) concern about new cars. But citing it as a reason to avoid EVs is misplaced.
Are there affordable EVs being mass-produced that do not suffer from an overabundance of touch-based controls?
Hyundai and GM / Chevy are the two biggest examples of automakers producing affordable EVs with traditional buttons and knobs. Audi, BMW, and Porsche are all moving back in that direction, but generally those aren’t in the affordable category you mentioned.
Recent articles suggest many automakers swinging back towards the physical control side of the spectrum. It’s a very good thing, touchscreens for basic auto controls was a terrible idea.
Needs to happen!
Most people can’t afford EVs anyway. At this point, there will just be older and older gas-powered vehicles on the road.
Would love it if Musk could actually solve a fucking problem every once in a while, instead of running his mouth about the hundred other things he claims to have a solution to. Make a functional and cheap EV, no stupid bells and whistles, no gimmicks.
I know there are other car manufacturers, but they are too concerned about the bottom line. Musk effectively has more money than god. He can afford to take a loss for the greater good. He just never will.
Most people can’t afford EVs anyway
Well yeah, most people buy used cars. But a used ev of a given year is likely to be in a similar price range as a comparable gas engine car. The question is, is there sufficient availability of used electric cars? From the sound of it, there will be in CA by 2035. Certainly, if everyone buying new cars is buying electric, then the number is used EVs available will skyrocket.
And either way, I’m sure this regulation is about new cars, nobody is going to stop you from buying a used 2025 civic in 2035, that’s fine. I mean the car already exists, it would be environmentally negligent to replace it as long as it still runs. You just can’t buy a new ice car after that.
I’m curious though, does this regulation ban hybrids?
nobody is going to stop you from buying a used 2025 civic in 2035, that’s fine
This is what I meant, cars already in circulation having longer lives. I frankly don’t know anything about used EVs, but plenty of people I know can list reliable gas powered cars that will run for incredibly long times with a little love. We need EVs to be manageable cars of the people that can be maintained at home on a budget and not proprietary dealerships.
It wasn’t my aim to discredit the bill, only to complain that Musk is useless and will line his pockets before actually creating something that is useful for the public.
But the thing is, you’ll also be able to buy a 2025 Tesla in 2035, and the price probably won’t be far off from the civic. In other words, there’s no problem here.
PS the average new car is $47k. Please tell me how that $55k EV with the $7.5k tax rebate is expensive?
Source: https://www.kbb.com/car-news/average-new-car-price-tops-47000/
I have never in my life purchased a new car. They are too expensive. Most normal people that I know also have only ever bought a car from a used car lot. I have always considered leasing a car to be throwing away money. So, like a lot of people, I drive beaters that I can actually afford.
The $55k might be reasonable compared to the average new car, but look around you on the road. Lots of 7+ year old cars…most people can’t afford $55k with or without a rebate. I know that is just the price of doing business, and nothing is likely to suddenly cost $10k. But for the average person, this just means driving their fossil fuel burning car longer until they can figure something out.
I have always considered leasing a car to be throwing away money.
I was in the market for a car back in the start of 2023. I was floored at how leases were at the same monthly cost as just financing new for the same exact car. As in, there was practically zero advantage in doing so. Why do people do this?
this just means driving their fossil fuel burning car longer until they can figure something out.
The cost of new and used are at a point where if you own your car outright, it’s far cheaper to just keep it on the road. I know not everyone can afford the downtime for big repairs, and keeping $1000-2000 on hand for repairs is not easy. But it can work out to a lot less per year which is the trick. Sadly, economics got us into this mess and without some kind of intervention, they’re gonna keep us here for a while.
Methane can and should be made with renewable energy
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabatier_reaction
What we need to do is ban the sale of hydrogen and gas that’s extracted from the ground, not attack machines that can burn carbon neutral chemical energy
Edit: article is about petrol. Silly US Americans referring to liquid as gas
Edit2: can we not all agree the headline should say “ICE cars”?
article is about petrol. Silly US Americans referring to liquid as gas
Petrol is short for “petroleum” which can be many products
Gas is short for “gasoline” which is a specific product
What is Elon going to do? Sell cars or kiss Trump’s ass?
Why not both?
Introduce a hypothetical Tesla Backcountry, Elon’s “unique” solution for people with range anxiety. Instead of worrying about charge stations, the Backcountry can be recharged at any old gas station by filling it up with “liquid x power,” which the car burns to recharge its battery while running. It’s not a hybrid, it’s electric /s
This just made me think of Petrol electric vehicles, more specifically the Ferdinand/Elefant. Knowing how flammable Teslas already are I feel like a gas powered one would be outright explosive.
TIL
The two Porsche Type 101 15-litre gasoline V-10 air-cooled engines each developing 310 PS in each vehicle had considerable problems with cooling difficulties and excess oil consumption during testing.[5] An improved type 101/2 engine with better cooling seems not to have been installed.[6] The Porsche engines were replaced by two 300 PS (296 hp; 221 kW) Maybach HL120 TRM engines. The engines drove a single Siemens-Schuckert 500 kVA generator each, which powered two Siemens 230 kW (312.7 PS) individual-output electric motors, one each connected to each of the rear sprockets. The electric motors also acted as the vehicle’s steering unit. This “petrol–electric” drive delivered 0.11 km/L (909 litres/100 km or 0.26 miles per gallon) off-road and 0.15 km/L (667 litres/100 km or 0.35 mpg) on road at a maximum speed of 10 km/h off-road and 30 km/h on road. In addition to this high fuel consumption and poor performance, the vehicle was maintenance-intensive; the sprockets needed to be changed every 500–900 km.[7] Furthermore, the radiators for the water-cooled Maybach engines took up extra space in the cramped engine compartment, and the engines often over-heated.[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elefant
TIL also why I think the Soviets won the Battle of Kursk.
Knowing how flammable Teslas already are I feel like a gas powered one would be outright explosive.
You might be interested in looking up ICE vehicle fire statistics in your area every year. It’s going to be more than every electric vehicle fire to date. They are common, so they don’t make headlines, no one would click on the link for the advertising revenue.
