Summary

The Biden administration will allow California to ban new gas-powered car sales by 2035, with 11 other states following. This uses a Clean Air Act waiver permitting stricter state-level pollution controls to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

Trump plans to revoke the waiver, roll back EV tax credits, and fight California’s climate policies, potentially sparking legal battles.

California, leading the U.S. in EV adoption, aims to “Trump-proof” its agenda, bolstered by automaker deals and strong market influence.

The ban could accelerate EV investments, shaping nearly half of the U.S. auto market and global climate policy trends.

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104 points

The “states rights” people surely will be happy about this!

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60 points

“Will allow.”

Can’t prevent.

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39 points

Even if forced to “sell” them, CA still controls which vehicles may receive title and registration.

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still controls which vehicles may receive title and registration.

And what the registration fees/taxes are, ez pz loophole, just make the registration fee 50k for all gas vehicles or some shit lmao

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37 points

2035 is so far away, it’s basically just postering at this point.

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28 points

It makes a difference - corporations move and adapt slowly. They now know in 10 years, the ICE market will probably be completely dead in big chunks of the US market, and if they aren’t competitive by then they’ll lose a lot of market share

It’s not enough to sell electric models by 2035 - they need to be established as good electric manufacturers by then. It’ll push them to move the electric transition forward, either giving up on hydrogen or speeding up their plans

It’s not the greatest timeframe, but it’s not nothing

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According to this article, some automotive companies have already stopped further research and development on ICE engines.

https://www.hotcars.com/car-companies-no-longer-investing-in-ice/

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19 points

People used to say that about 2025 too

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And look at how many politicians and businesses have gone back on their promises in the past decade.

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3 points

Better do something than do nothing.

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4 points

Just posturing is right. Why not in 5 years? Why wait til we can almost name a new generation of adults?

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Probably because the more aggressive the timeline, the more willingness to fight rather than just adapt

Personally, I’d like to see more of a transition - maybe a tax that starts small and quickly scales into something crazy over the course of the decade or something else to heavily motivate early compliance

This isn’t nothing though, it’s mostly just late. Paris did something similar and is already reaping the rewards

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I don’t live in California, but I’m going to guess to expand the charger network more.

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Funny how they care about the rights of states selectively.

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What is Elon going to do? Sell cars or kiss Trump’s ass?

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Why not both?

Introduce a hypothetical Tesla Backcountry, Elon’s “unique” solution for people with range anxiety. Instead of worrying about charge stations, the Backcountry can be recharged at any old gas station by filling it up with “liquid x power,” which the car burns to recharge its battery while running. It’s not a hybrid, it’s electric /s

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This just made me think of Petrol electric vehicles, more specifically the Ferdinand/Elefant. Knowing how flammable Teslas already are I feel like a gas powered one would be outright explosive.

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Knowing how flammable Teslas already are I feel like a gas powered one would be outright explosive.

You might be interested in looking up ICE vehicle fire statistics in your area every year. It’s going to be more than every electric vehicle fire to date. They are common, so they don’t make headlines, no one would click on the link for the advertising revenue.

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TIL

The two Porsche Type 101 15-litre gasoline V-10 air-cooled engines each developing 310 PS in each vehicle had considerable problems with cooling difficulties and excess oil consumption during testing.[5] An improved type 101/2 engine with better cooling seems not to have been installed.[6] The Porsche engines were replaced by two 300 PS (296 hp; 221 kW) Maybach HL120 TRM engines. The engines drove a single Siemens-Schuckert 500 kVA generator each, which powered two Siemens 230 kW (312.7 PS) individual-output electric motors, one each connected to each of the rear sprockets. The electric motors also acted as the vehicle’s steering unit. This “petrol–electric” drive delivered 0.11 km/L (909 litres/100 km or 0.26 miles per gallon) off-road and 0.15 km/L (667 litres/100 km or 0.35 mpg) on road at a maximum speed of 10 km/h off-road and 30 km/h on road. In addition to this high fuel consumption and poor performance, the vehicle was maintenance-intensive; the sprockets needed to be changed every 500–900 km.[7] Furthermore, the radiators for the water-cooled Maybach engines took up extra space in the cramped engine compartment, and the engines often over-heated.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elefant

TIL also why I think the Soviets won the Battle of Kursk.

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