“I’m getting so frustrated by the elites in the party” calling on him to step down, the president fumed. “I don’t care what the millionaires think.”
Reminder the majority of party leaders and billionaire donors are the only ones still supporting him…
He’s just bald face lying to voters. Or he’s so far gone he really believes it
When the patient starts getting prefrontal cortex damage (including for normal age related issues) the patient often can’t handle any criticism and responds to any criticism (no matter how valid) with belligerence.
It’s the same if it’s a TBI, alcohol/drugs, lead poisoning, literally any of the shit ton of things that effect the prefrontal cortex.
Biden is reacting to all of this in exactly the same way anyone else in his shoes would.
But that’s a problem and even more reason to replace him
In the next four years he won’t get better, he’ll keep getting worse. And I think we can all agree there has already been a large change just since 2020.
Biden is reacting to all of this in exactly the same way anyone else in his shoes would.
He’s starting to react exactly the same way trump and many others on the right do, and is gaslighting his voters the same way, too (like by dismissing the perfectly valid concerns as “drama”)…
That is to say it may very well be down to age, but it’s also just the textbook behaviour of politicians who are there to serve themselves, the filthy rich establishment, and the status quo they all need to survive.
The thing is, republicans have been conditioned to accept that since Nixon and Watergate.
Dem voters aren’t there yet. Hopefully we’ll never get there, but right now this shit won’t work on Dem voters.
Dem voters aren’t there yet…but right now this shit won’t work on Dem voters.
Lol, it’s working perfectly well already, in case you haven’t been paying attention, those still blindly loyal to Biden, as well as the “blue no matter who” crowd are proving you wrong every day.
The thing is, republicans have been conditioned to accept
Until people like you confront the fact that we have ALL been conditioned to accept this farce, and that those on both teams serve the same people (billionaires) and use the same tactics (empty promises, flat out lies, gaslighting, manipulating, even love bombing) they just appeal to different sensibilities so your bias tells you the one that appeals to you isn’t that bad actually, we will never break free from this circus.
overdramatic
Wait…
Are we at the “it’s ok if trump wins” that Biden said in Fridays interview?
Or are we back to reality where a second trump term is an existential threat to American democracy.
Because if we’re back in reality. I don’t see how taking the threat of Biden losing seriously is “overdramatic”. If anything, I’d say Biden is being “under dramatic”.
Do you overstand?
Fuck you for trying to spin it that way, Biden.
I don’t want you as the candidate because the shit you’re saying indicates you straight up don’t understand the stakes. You said that you’d “feel fine, because you gave it your all”. Meanwhile, I’ll be out here dodging fucking 3%er and Proud Boy paramilitary squads that Trump will surely deputize with an “official act”, which will be very legal and very cool as per the Tribunal of Six’s recent decision.
Your head is not in the game. You are stuck not only in the sunk-cost fallacy, but also up your own ass. You are not trying hard enough. You are not using the right tactics. At this point I seriously doubt you even understand what the right tactics are.
We are trying to fight against fascism, and you’re going to fucking hand it to the fascists. Get out of our fucking way.
I’ve read a number of comments like yours and have always been curious about this sentiment.
I feel similarly iffy about the whole process. Despite that, I can’t think of a viable alternative at this point in time that wouldn’t lead to a disastrous result.
I genuinely want to know: if he does step down and give way to another candidate, who do you have in mind? Is it one person? Is it multiple? Or are we just hoping that if he steps down, a magical better candidate will show up?
Harris, Newsom, and Whitmer would probably be my top 3 picks for viability. Of those three, I think Whitmer would be my favorite choice, but I think Newsom would be the most pragmatic choice (and to be clear, there is a LOT I don’t like about Newsom, despite the fact that I align with him on a decent number of issues) in the context of electability (white, male, a touch religious but not overly so, charismatic, great public speaker). I think Harris is uninspiring and the wrong choice for a TON of reasons, but the establishment will probably stick with her if they are somehow forced to not go with Biden simply because she’s currently VP.
But, you know, that’s what primaries are supposed to be. We’re not really supposed to have the DNC essentially just playing kingmaker and doing cloak and dagger shit behind the scenes so their Chosen One ends up guaranteed to clinch the nomination. Unfortunately, the DNC is basically run by corporatist neoliberals at this point, so they aren’t interested in doing that… and they’re also unwilling to admit that such attitudes are precisely how we got here in the first fucking place.
We got Trump because “it was her turn”. And I will NEVER fucking forgive Hillary for that. It’s abundantly clear that the “adults in the room” at the DNC have no fucking idea what they’re doing.
Yeah, the best case scenario was Biden not running for 2024 from the beginning so we could have proper primaries, and align behind the winner. That’s how it should have been handled.
But it’s too late. None of the candidates you mentioned are strong enough to rally behind this late in the race. Each state would need to figure out a makeshift primary and then align, or DNC would have to choose, which would make it Harris by default. It would be an absolute disaster.
Yea I’m so elite. That’s why I barely survive paycheck to paycheck, don’t have healthcare, don’t have much with regards to retirement funds, and have to ration my food. And I’m fucking 33.
Fuck you, you elitist old man. Democratic elite are showing their true colors, that they don’t give a fuck about us. We are trying to tell him that he’s going to lose to a fascist with his shitty debate performance, and he’s pretending it didn’t happen and trying to gaslight us. It’s not that we want trump because we don’t. But we are worried that his shit performance will depress the vote into not voting, which is a very real threat and will lead to fascism.
If we fall into fascism it won’t be the voters fault, it’ll be the fault of the elite ruling class. We didn’t have to go in this direction, but we have been going here because Republicans keep going further authoritarian and the Democratic party barely tries to push back.
Whoaaaa…
Are you saying voters aren’t going to respond well to Biden telling them their concerns aren’t valid and no matter what he’s not listen to them?!
Oh don’t forget he believes inflation is made up, but then you see shit like this while looking at all the price increases https://x.com/interneth0f/status/1810667768917660141 And this just plays into the Anti-Biden ads I see on the road. Most of them just basically show clips of Biden saying the economy is great and inflation isn’t real, and asks the viewer do you look at your bills under Biden and think he is just lying to you or is he suffering from dementia?
It’s just such a tone deaf response. I sent an email to my senators and rep asking them to listen to their constituencies regarding their election fears. Not that I think it will do much. But God, waiting around for this old man to lose to Trump while feeling powerless (yes, I’ll still vote) just sucks so much.
Old Joe’s got everybody mad at him. Elites. Big money donors. Etc. Everybody it seems bur Democratic voters. Polls are the same as before the debate.
Because those votes are mainly votes against Trump and even a trash can would probably pull in similar protest votes. All the more reason the idea of a better candidate that people are even slightly more enthusiastic over could push those numbers up
There aren’t any democrats that poll better
Factually untrue.
This has Biden down 6 points. And Kamala only down 2.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/cnn-poll-post-debate/index.html
But your comparing Biden as “the candidate” with the DNC and millions of dollars of campaign against people that haven’t even said they’re willing to run…
Obviously anyone else that becomes the candidate would see a significant boost to their numbers both short and long term.
But others also are polling closer (better) than Biden…
Several other Democrats have been mentioned as potential Biden replacements in recent days, and each trails Trump among registered voters, with their levels of support similar to Biden’s, including California Gov. Gavin Newsom (48% Trump to 43% Newsom), Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg (47% Trump to 43% Buttigieg), and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (47% Trump to 42% Whitmer).
That’s 4 people polling better than Biden in the last couple days…
Weird you haven’t seen it yet.
Yeah.
The vast majority willing to vote for Biden, would vote “blue no matter who”.
Which means logically, switching candidates is the smartest plan if all that matters is stopping trump.
But a very small, very vocal group of Biden voters (and even Biden) seem to be lying about what’s most important. I still can’t believe Biden really said he wouldn’t care if he lost.
If they can’t get Biden. A Republican is their second pick.
They just won’t admit it.
But it’s the only logical reason people would be insisting it has to be Biden. Just like Joe, they don’t care if trump wins.
Any candidate but Harris would not have access to the money already raised.
Historically, the candidate who raises the most money wins (ignoring 2016).
Meaning the only option the democrats have is to put Harris at the top of the ticket.
Personally i think they’re just as scared as we are. They’re just too fucking old to have a realistic picture of the political landscape. Gen X is going to get us all killed.
You realize the Venn diagram of “Candidates the DNC financiers support” and “Candidates that would get more support than Joe Biden” doesn’t actually overlap, right?
If campaign financing is the primary consideration then we deserve the shit storm that’s coming.
The polls are worse, by a lot. He is absolutely sinking and not coming back.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/03/us/politics/poll-debate-biden-trump.html
What are you talking about, before the debate he was even now he’s down by 2 points and his approval rating is hitting new lows. For context he was up by 8 points this time last cycle to win a close election in November. Joe is falling behind and people don’t like him, ignoring people’s dislike for a candidate is how we lost 2016.
Old Joe’s got everybody mad at him. Elites. Big money donors. Etc.
To be fair, having those particular groups mad at you should be considered a good thing.
But it’s the opposite of what’s happening…
Can you name a single party leader or billionaire who has stopped supporting Biden this election?
Like, I know some party members and some donors have…
But no party leaders have said he needs to step down, and while some donors have, they’re relatively tiny compared to the actual big money donors.
Polls were not good before the debate. Maybe it’s too early to say what the effect will be but here’s the second report I’ve seen saying it’s getting worse.
