It annoys me even though I’m still in the U.S.
Edit: For everyone saying CVs and resumes are different, that might be literally the case, but that is not how job applications are using them. I just went to this one:
The only correct format is from greatest to smallest: yyyy-mm-dd
This is, in my mind, verifiable by noting the way that lists are ordered when using this format. They are sequential. This isn’t true for either of the other formats.
As a programmer I agree. I have fucked around with trying to parse unrestricted user inputs of dates and I have found out.
Year first is the only way I can actually know which value is day vs. month.
Why don’t programmers make a programme that can read dates instead of complaining that dates aren’t in a obscure format?
They in control of their own issues.
The date is 12/11/2024. Am I talking about yesterday or a day about a month ago?
It’s great for lists but I don’t know a single person who’s gonna say “hey let’s meet up on 2024 December 11th.”
Dates written in a numbers only format are not about matching the spoken language. You also would not say, “let’s meet on twelve eleven twenty twentyfour.”
You must not know many programmers that have had to deal with American date formatting then.
I used to be a programmer myself (originally studied it for game design but now I’m a 3d animator) and it’s why there’s a specific default data structure built in to most programming languages to handle dates and internationalization of those dates.
When you are writing the date, the only correct way is ISO8601 (YYYY-MM-DD). If you’re speaking to someone (verbal communication) then do whatever you want.
when making someone a cup of tea, the only correct way is ISO3103. if youre making it for yourself then do whatever you want.
There is a reason though. It’s because you probably want to put dates in order and when you ask a computer to sort things for you, it will automatically order things correctly when the date follows this format. If you put the month first, then the day, then the year, the default sorting behavior will order things incorrectly chronologically speaking.
when you ask a computer to sort things for you, it will automatically order things correctly when the date follows this format
I’d go even further than that, and point out that the reason why computers sort things in this order is because that’s the most logical way to convey specific dates.
Most significant digits on the left, descending left to right, in order, is how we do all other numerical representations. It’s only dates that we have different norms.
MM/DD/YYYY would annoy me wherever it’s from, because it’s wilfully perverse.
It matches the speech order in English. Today is December eleventh, 2024.
Where did you get this idea from? In British English 11th of December is more common. I’m open to the idea that American English does it differently and that’s fine but to assert that the entire English speaking world does it like that is incorrect and ignorant.
In Canada we usually say Tuesday December 11th, like if someone is giving us an appointment date. It’s colloquial, I guess, a little more succinct.
Maybe where you live, but no. Today is actually the 12th of december. Yanks like to say thats how it is but I have never, or rather rarely, heard them call their independence day July 4th. It’s always 4th of July. So, no. Its not the speech order.
Independence Day is the sole exception in common speech. I suspect this is a older style carried forward into today. Any other date, like today’s, is Month Day (ordinal). Halloween is said October 31st, not the 31st of October. The latter is also much longer.
Cinco de Mayo is of course not in English.
Nope. It’s the 12th of December . Just like the 4th of July, or having Christmas “on the 25th”
Disclaimer: am American.
I say the 4th of July because it’s a holiday. July 3rd, 5th, etc are all month/day. I don’t know why just what “sounds right” and it’s what I was taught. It threw me for a loop working with people over seas when I saw 13-10-24. We quickly noticed the confusion and swapped to spelling months out
The date thing is infuriating because the American date format just shouldn’t exist
ISO is best. There’s no debate there. From a data science perspective, YYYY/MM/DD is the only reasonable choice.
But most of the time you’re using dates, you’re only concerned with the month and day. That’s the very reason we don’t use ISO in our daily lives. If you started every mention of a date with the year, people would think you’re a crazy person, or a time traveler, or perhaps a recently-awakened coma patient. There’s just no need to begin with the year. Next Wednesday, 2024 December 18.
If you exclude the year, then the choice is month/day or day/month. Between the two, month/day is far more useful for the same reasons ISO is best. If I need both the month and the day, then I want the month first. The only time I would want the day first is if the month doesn’t matter, and I can omit the month in that case. Giving me the day first and then the month forces me to wait for the month and then remember the day. It’s inefficient transfer of information. If you exclude the year, MM/DD is objectively, if only marginally, better than DD/MM.
But then why would anyone use MM/DD/(YY)YY? Because we’re already using MM/DD.
Ahem - there is a debate… it’s over / vs. -. As is proper - all true debates should be over minor formatting decisions (soft tabs over my fucking dead body).
/ can’t be used in a filename on most common filesystems so that doesn’t enter the conversation the real question is if you include - as a delimiter at all.
20241212 or 2024-12-12? They are fixed width fields so I skip the delimiter when I’m storing data* but tend to use the delimiter when writing for a general audience.
* Y10k problem right here!
I’ll see you on the 1st of the 1st.
I see nothing wrong with that. The day number moves most frequently, so that should go first. The month moves second most frequently, so that should go second. Putting the month first makes it odd.
The day number moves most frequently, so that should go first.
Are you German? How do you read 35? Is it 5 and 30? Or 30 and 5? Because the most significant number comes first, the one that moves most cones last.
Do you also say “six, fifty and two hundred” instead of “two hundred and fifty six”?
The dates are written to match how it’s said. In the US we say our dates as month day year, and before you say “But the 4th of July” my counterpoint is that the 4th of July takes place on July 4th. And Cinco de Mayo takes place on May 5th. And May the Fourth Be With You takes place on May 4th.
Its the ISO format everyone loves but from the time before digital computers needed to sort our dates, so we put the year at the end as it’s generally the least important if something isn’t digital
I get not liking something cuz it’s different, but it amazes me how many people pretend it’s bad
I’m not from either place.
I was under the impression that a CV and a resume are different things. A CV is a general compilation of all things you’ve done, and a resume is a curated list used for applying to jobs.
I do know that they’re used interchangeably for the most part, but this is how I was explained the difference in practice.
They are the same thing.
Lots of things list them both with a slash showing then to be the same thing.
CV is more correct though.
They’re definitely not the same thing even though they’ve been used interchangeably more and more.
A CV is a comprehensive overview of everything you’ve accomplished and can be fairly long in certain cases (I’ve seen CVs of specialized professionals or tenured professors that are close to 10 pages long).
On the other hand, a resume is a concise list of your relevant skills and experiences that should be tailored to the position you are applying to and should almost never be longer than 2 pages.
I don’t know what to say.
This is just outright wrong. But you so confident about it I doubt anything I will say matters.
Every single person I have ever spoken to. From teachers in school, university advisors, parents, friends, family, HR staff, bosses, have said that a CV is no more than 3 pages. Almost always it is said to be 2, sometimes 1 is offered and very occasionally I have heard 3. But never more. Should always be tailored but I have heard people making generic enough ones that can be used for similar jobs.
I guarantee almost all job that specifically asks for a CV would throw out a 10 pager.
Unless you are talking about how things were in the 1800’s this is just wrong. Which I doubt anyone got a job with more than a handshake before 1945.
Some people say that a resume is a shorter CV. But even a CV should only include the things relevant to the task you’re using for.
