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This is from the city where it’s illegal to be homeless. One man even collected over $100,000 in fines for being homeless.

Yeah, that’ll help.

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Man that sounded wild to me, so I dug around a bit and it’s fucking true. Although the amount is closer to $110,000 it’s still insane.

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Hey, we heard you can’t afford a house, so we’re charging you fines in the amount of what it would have cost to buy a house…we’re so cool! We solved homelessness! Because now if you want to be homeless, it actually costs more to NOT buy a house. So you may as well just buy a house!

We did it guys! We ended the concept of homelessness! High five!

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47 points

I mean why don’t the homeless just buy a house? Are they stupid?

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we’re charging you fines in the amount of what it would have cost to buy a house

Oh how I wish I could buy a house for that kind of money. You should go look at what housing costs in Canadian cities.

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Yeah, it was from awhile ago. I couldn’t remember if it was one or two hundred thousand. I’ve corrected my comment to be more accurate. Here’s an article on it.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-homeless-man-100k-fines-1.3473707

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16 points

What happens if the man does not pay? Will they put him in jail?

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21 points

In the ultimate act of irony… Maybe they’ll put him in a house.

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47 points

Canada does not have debtor’s jail. Nothing will really happen except that more fines will keep racking up. No collection agency is going to take on a homeless person’s debt, so eventually those debts will just disappear, assuming he makes no effort to pay them off.

In the meantime, if he tries to escape homelessness, it’s a lot harder nowadays to find an apartment with a landlord that doesn’t check your credit, and 100k+ in unpaid debts looks really bad.

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26 points

Aaaah, I love living in a capitalist hellscape

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It’s not “being homeless” that is illegal, though. It’s drinking in public, begging or sleeping in the metro. And it sure is tough not staying in the metro during winter. There are some organisms that can provide shelter, but not enough for everyone, and it usually cost a couple dollars, which not everyone have everyday. And it’s a real problem on both sides, as the metro was not meant to become a shelter for the homeless, and people have been complaining more and more they feel unsafe there.

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Sure “being homeless” isn’t the crime itself but you’re being naive if you don’t think the laws make homelessness illegal. What are they supposed to do? Go find a piece of land no one has claim to and freeze to death?

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And what are we supposed to do? Legalize all drugs and being drunk in public just to avoid having to fine them, and install beds everywhere in the Underground City (and in this post’s case, in emergency stairwells at the Complexe Desjardins) with no regard for their regular use?
Sure, let’s work on proposing more accessible legal alternatives. Just take note that these laws weren’t created to punish the homeless, but to have a clean and safe public space - which have been degrading for some time now.

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La Maison du Père costs 1 dollar a night, and they’ll let you in if you explain that you can’t pay the $1.

Some just don’t like shelters. They don’t like the rules, other people, or fear getting their stuff stolen.

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“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” - Anatole France

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Here they made being homeless illegal so they can force people into shelters/mental help/rehab/etc.

Much better than letting them shoot up heroin in parks all day.

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6 points

Which orgasms provide shelter?

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As someone else said, there is La Maison du Père that provide (almost) free shelter.
Otherwise, there are provincial, municipal and private orgasms that help as they can with some services for reinsertion. Like the “L’Itinéraire” magazine.
The SPVM (police department) are also there to help during interventions with people with mental illness, in crisis, or to give references for some government’s services. During great cold they are often outside to distribute goods and coffee. They don’t just give fines.

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Organisms, and probably that kind of beast that Luke Skywalker cuts open and uses for a sleeping bag to survive the cold.

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The Tauntaun beast

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1 point

What a fucked up country.

I mean every country has it’s problems but jeysus wept.

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18 points

I honestly don’t know if this is better or worse than the ear murdering high pitched screeching they play in the stairwells at a mall in Ottawa

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laughs in Deafness

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So as a worker with a house, can I sue when I go insane from hearing that song over and over? Didn’t they do this in Guantánamo to torture and break people?

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They only had death metal and industrial goth music back then. Nothing as terrible as Baby Shark existed at the time.

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4 points

They used the Barney theme song as a torture device, it’s gotta be equally bad

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1 point

The article said they play it in the emergency exit stairwells. Odds are you aren’t going to be in that emergency exit long enough to go insane.

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At least its music, though this does confirm that Baby Shark is something they’d have played at Gitmo if it’d been around 2 decades ago.

I have been to many places where things like these are everywhere:

Imagine this but diesel powered, a bit chonkier, and they just emit this high pitched scream (there are other versions called ‘mosquito alarms’), and has extremely bright, blue strobing lights that will induce seizures in anyone susceptible.

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Oh if baby shark had been around two decades ago…

They have one of those outside the Home Depot in DC playing classical music to pacify all the day laborers hanging around hoping to pick up work.

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13 points

JFC, the cruelty really is the point…

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7 points

I always feel an urge to sabotage those things when I see them, were only they not covered in literal cameras

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IR LEDs + Disposable, thick framed novelty glasses

Clothes you can toss or donate

Ingress and Egress method about 1/2 mile away from target, different locations and methods for each.

Ability to sprint for 10 minutes

Above average situational awareness

Do not bring your phone

Don’t return to the area for 3 months

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I mean yeah I reckon I could if I really wanted to but that’s a lot of effort to temporarily disrupt surveillance of a random walmart parking lot

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74 points

Unhoused? Has homeless as a word been banned?

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Welcome to the euphemism treadmill

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In the US they mean different things, as homeless includes people living in other people’s homes. That can include people whose house just burnt down and are living with friends or family because they lost their permanent residence (home). Unhoused is about where they are staying.

People on the street are homeless and unhoused.

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And you really think people use and understand these terms like that?

You may be correct in the academic sense, but completely wrong in all other senses.

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Language has power. You’ll notice successful effort on the right to get pundits to refer to Oil as Energy. Oil has negative implications, energy has positive. Homeless has negative implications for the person, unhoused has negative implications for the government.

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Not sure about Canada, but in the US:

Homeless = no permanent residence, which also includes couch surfing, parents and children who just fled an abusive family member and are temporarily ltaying with friends or relatives, and people who are living in their car. All people without a home.

Unhoused = homeless people that don’t have a roof over their heads. Might include living in a car.

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They are synonyms. Please don’t make things up.

Edit: to all the knee-jerk downvoting. This is literally a quote from an article the user himself supplied as proof that there is a difference.

Unhoused is probably the most popular alternative to the word “homeless.” It’s undoubtedly the one I see most often recommended by advocates. But it doesn’t have a meaningful difference in connotation from the more common term, “homeless.”

It’s literally just a pc synonym of homeless.

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They are not. I work with data collections on students and have had to explain the difference to people who don’t understand that a kid who is kicked out of their home and is staying with friends is homeless even if they are not out on the street for federal reporting.

Homelessness defined in law: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/11302#

A more thorough explanation that contrasts the terms: https://invisiblepeople.tv/homeless-houseless-unhoused-or-unsheltered-which-term-is-right/

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I think the idea is to put the responsibility for housing onto society/authority as opposed to the victim.

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Doesn’t homeless imply its society’s fault too?

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Perhaps to some people, but to me it does sound like a homeless person just happens to be without.

Whereas an unhoused person has been let down by whoever is responsible for ensuring people are housed.

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There’s also the difference in how the word is used more as an adjective than a noun. In the same way calling someone a disabled is a lot more dehumanizing than saying they are a person with a disability.

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