65 points

Idk. America is still pretty racist and even more sexist.

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12 points

Sexist enough that a woman who no one likes won the popular vote in 2016. …

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Popular vote dont get you shit here.

She lost the race in swing states where “independents” choose the winner. If she had been “John Clinton,” with every single bit of the politcal baggage and none of the sexist baggage, I guarantee she would have cleared that 80k vote hurdle in those 3 states.

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She lost swing states because she decided she didn’t need to campaign there.

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Not if her statements and Goldman Sachs relationship were as public as they are. Goldman and Chase are political kryptonite for anyone on the left.

Goldman killed Warren in 2020.

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That’s a red herring. The original comment was “America is sexist,” and that’s a statement based on quantities.

So yeah, the popular vote matters here.

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9 points

Joe would have won that election, let alone Bernie. It would have been a different world today

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I remember the conservatives I worked with hated H. Clinton for “wanting to take our guns away.” I told her (it was a white 20 year old girl I was talking to specifically in this group) that whole idea is untrue.

Clinton didn’t lose because of her horrible treatment of Africans, her philosophy that abortion should be a states’ right issue, because she is a woman, etc. She lost because the “Dems want our guns” propaganda. Conservatives are a simple breed.

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I think people underestimate how much the Clinton name helped her even when the sexism hurt her. Beyond maybe Michelle Obama now, I can’t think of any other woman out there likely to perform as well as Hilary did. During the race, I heard more than one person make comments along the lines of “If she’s in trouble, she can just call her husband”. She definitely got a lot more points from the Clinton name than she lost for being a woman. It’s a sad world sometimes, yall.

I personally think Bill Clinton’s brother Roger could have won that race even with all his controversies and the fact that he has zero qualifications.

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She lost due to her connections.

Her speaking engagements cost her important votes in key states.

If the left wants to win Goldman and Chase are Kryptonite.

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-2 points

It’s a sad but fair point

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-4 points

Did you forget that Hilary Clinton won the popular vote?

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The only color that matters is blue. I will never vote a cop for president.

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17 points

I will vote for freaking Training Day if it keeps Trump out of office.

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You do you, but I will write in Jill Stine first. Dems are only my first pick if their pick is viable. Putting up a Cop in the current climate is asking to lose.

Only Republicans can promote LE and expect them to win right now.

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42 points

Whatever we’re doing, we need to do it fast and commit to it.

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RN, Biden is still the best odds at beating Trump by the sheer fact that he’s the incumbent. Why do you think all of the rightmost Dems and the Russian shills are hopping aboard the replacement train? Because they want Trump to win.

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Yeah, unfortunately, there’s a calculus here that isn’t entirely clear. The right-wing, the accelerationists, and the Russian shills are all on board with this because they THINK it’s a losing proposition for the Democrats. However, whether it is ACTUALLY a losing proposition is… uncertain.

We live in a fucked-up political era. I think a replacement could go either way. I’m not thrilled about the idea, but we’re rolling the dice either way, so I’m not going to let either outcome change my disposition much. What I know is that I’m voting against fascism this November, and anyone who expresses doubts as to whether THEY’RE voting against fascism are, at best, useful idiots for fascism, and at worst, fascists who are too cowardly to admit it.

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I want Biden replaced. Guess I’m a Russian shill? JFC

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I mean, in a vacuum, there’s lots of people who I’d like to be running for president as the DNC candidate instead of Biden. However, I’m not advocating for that right now, because I think it would be a tactical mistake.

Edit: on that note, there’s also a whole lot of people who I’d want to run as the GOP candidate instead of Trump as well. One of them is Biden. 😂

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I think the commitment part is going to be a problem this election cycle.

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40 points

Oh please no. Not more establishment bullshit.

Find somebody young and energetic to bring some fresh ideas and new energy. A young Bernie Sanders type. They will mop the floor with Trump.

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We’re getting establishment bullshit no matter what. May as well have establishment bullshit that can beat Trump.

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But just passively accepting the establishment bullshit while not even voicing displeasure is a recipe for more and more severe establishment bullshit.

If the billionaire fucks are shoving turds into our throats while calling those smelly turds “brownies,” at least they need to hear us moan. We don’t gotta dignify this bullshit with polite smiles all around.

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But just passively accepting the establishment bullshit while not even voicing displeasure

Check my comment history and tell me if that seems like an apt description of my behavior.

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2 points

Find someone you can’t name then.

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3 points

I’ll throw two names in:

Tim Walz, the governor of Minnesota.

Marianne Williamson.

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4 points

Williamson is an absolute loon and Walz wants to stay governor.

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0 points

What about Jim McDonugal?

Or Frank T. Millerson?

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AOC, Michelle Obama, Elizabeth Warren, or Jill Stein.

Kamala Harris is unelectable. She is a black female cop. The left won’t vote for a cop and the right won’t vote for a black woman. Who do you think is in her corner other than DNC mouth pieces? She was a threefer for Biden and that’s it.

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Jill Stein???

Id argue the other 3 are optimal choices, but Stein is almost certainly a Russian stooge.

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Aoc can’t run until next election, Michelle Obama has zero interest in being president (didn’t even want to be first lady), Elizabeth Warren isn’t much younger than trump and Biden (and a lot of moderates still won’t vote for a woman, see: Hillary Clinton), and Jill Stein is just as old too and part of the green party which isn’t going to even have a chance at winning a presidential election until there is no climate left to change unfortunately

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The mere suggestion of Jill Stein clearly demonstrates that you do not have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. Holy crap.

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4 points

Warren is a good suggestion. Not Bernie tier but a step in the right direction

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21 points

Kamala Harris cannot win. I hate Trump, but Kamala Harris won’t win against Trump and shouldn’t even be Biden’s VP pick in the first place.

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CNN would love for her to run cause they know that she can’t win.

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She’ll never win President of Lemmy, that’s for sure.

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11 points

sigh

. . . Ok.

If Whitmer’s all-in and everyone super swears she can be a charming candidate for two months, fine. I want it noted my preference is Whitmer/AOC but I appreciate the optics.

Goddammit. If it gets us a reprieve from diseased lunatics for four years, fine.

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Oh she could easily win, you just don’t like her.

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