The biggest reason to knock off working on vacation or after hours is that it creates a false expectation on the the workload. If you can’t get it done during regular office hours, than that means your company needs more people or a process improvement.
If you are working these extra untracked hours, you are the problem. If you get rewarded for doing so, your company is toxic and will only expect more as you move up the ladder.
I told a manager that, if you work 60h a week, you don’t know how to do you job. I slipped in that hourly payment isn’t terrible either if you do so.
He never bothered to try to make me work “for free” ever again.
No one on there deathbed will say they wish they worked harder. They will regret all the other moments they missed because they were working too much.
Time is more than just money, it’s your life.
I’ll put my hand up and say that I will wish I worked harder. My job is simple and i work remote. If I was willing to work harder, I could either move up in the company or move to a competitor. That would get me more money. More money would help me to pay rent on a nicer place to live. And then with the new nice place, I could get the rest of my head in order. So I will absolutely go to my doom wishing I worked harder, put in more hours, and showed a high degree of dedication.
I’ve worked at plenty of places which have made it fairly clear that the only way you can progress up in the company is to work out of hours. Extremely illegal business practice but they did it anyway.
One of the places was a law firm, because lawyers always think that they know how to break the law.
I felt even more like I was getting a raw deal when I realized the Germans and French were largely taking the entire month of August off.
They what? Why didn’t any of my fellow Germans tell me?
Most jobs, at least the better paying ones, include 6 weeks of vacation. However, you can use them all at once.
I never take august because of this. EVERYONE and their mothers take august so everything is crowded and extremely overpriced.
I prefer getting some time in september and then spread the rest of my days the rest of the year.
Best to spend vacation in April and October. You want 6 months(or less) between your vacations to not hate your job. Summer is already good, winter also has it’s charms and you don’t want to contrast to much. But it’s not the season in my favourite resort! Well it’s a bad resort, go to Asia, spend a bit more on the tickets, much less on the ground, enjoy foreign culture. Doesn’t work for Asians though.
Germans and French vacations are a lot more spread out than this.
In Italy instead it’s pretty much mandatory to take vacations in August, as whole industry sectors close down for 2-3 weeks. Factories go on a hiatus beginning from the second week of August to the start of the fourth week, or the end of the month.
Sometimes it’s surreal when you stay home in August and the whole city is deserted, no one to be seen, no traffic, no noise, just scorching heat. At least in the North, in the south it’s the exact opposite, with everyone going to the sea and the population doubling overnight at the start of August.
June and July instead are pretty much taken by the Germans, especially around the lakes of the North.
It feels unreal for me to know that some countries have not even 3 weeks of holidays. How can you relax and stop thinking about your job? People aren’t exhausted?
I’m just one of countless victims of the launch of the cell phone in North American IT. This shit kills. Figurative and literally.
24 hour reachability is 24 hour work. Shit accumulates and all of a sudden you haven’t actually relaxed in 20 years and you get phantom phone vibrations.
Funny enough I wear a pager for 1/4 of my life now. But it’s totally fine because there’s on then off. Work days and not work days. Day and night. Work and life.
European cell phone adoption was about on par with the US. I don’t think the technology is completely to blame here.
Cell phones and wall street yuppies became a thing at relatively the same time, yuppy culture really threw work life balance out the window and changed US working culture. There was no European equivalent to the wall street yuppy.
Oh yeah we’ve got them. They’re called “young managers”.
I went on a business trip a couple weeks ago with 3 of them. Those mfers were working on the planes and in the airports, went straight to the remote office when we landed, worked until 7pm, and started their next day at 7:30am. The grind is real.
I’m a senior software developer. If I can’t fit everything I need to do in a regular work day, I either suck at my job or the job is managed by idiots.
I was on call 24/7 for years. It’s been a long time since I had to deal with that (with a slide into a related career rather than changing careers) but I will never forget how terrible it was. I wasted what should have been my best years on that shit.
Now there’s only one person at work who has my number. He doesn’t call except for the one time I forgot to put my day off on the calendar. My work apps are paused at 5pm and all weekend. I only get alerts on my computer. However, I still twitch sometimes when my phone goes off after hours because it was a learned and deeply reinforced response for so many years.
I work as an electrician on a construction site, and one of the greatest perks of the job is that you leave it there. It’s not like you can work from home in the first place, and we don’t really have shifts. Everybody comes in at the same time and leaves at the same time, so you don’t have to bother with covering extra shifts.
That isn’t to say it’s a dream job of course, the perks are great, but the work itself will probably bite me in the ass later with health issues…
Yup, worked enterprise IT for a global call center, and I was expected to answer my phone at a moments notice. Even if I was in bed with my wife, I was expected to stop and answer. All while being paid 50% below market. Since the overseas IT teams were worthless, getting called at 2am was common.
When you can’t afford to move but you live on the Florida coast
That does not magically appears in Europe, but the victories thanks to strong unionism and revolutionary unionism. The same that was directly attacked by the US government in the 1920’s
In France, the left government of the “Front Populaire” was forced by the unions to pass social laws that was not on their program, including 40h works per week, the 8h/day and the first paid holidays. The struggle of this unionize include general strike, demonstration and riot, and was sometimes repressed by the State.
The 40h weeks where already done in Italy (until the rise of the fascism), thanks to the red week. Following the death of 3 people during a demonstration against war and colonization, an expropriator general strike was made in nothern Italy by local unions. Those strike do not stop every production, but focus on the needs of the workers. For example, foods was still collectid and dispatch, including by trains, but without trade; Malatesta try to warm workers to not accept the bourgeoisie gift, but to achieve the socialization of the society. Central unions accept, and betray the revolution. That may explain why the Operaism came from Italy. And why we -anarcho syndicalist- do not trust unions with hierarchy
There is some other exemple, of cours in Spain with the CNT (20 millions people living in aracho syndicalist situation), in Ukraine with the joining force of mutualized farmers and industrial unions, and the IWW