Honestly call or email the Democratic party offices and voice that you one hundred percent agree with Sanders.
People are stupid. They are mad at democrats so they allowed a fascist to take power so they will never have another free election again and things will only change for the worse with no chance of them getting better.
Non voters in this election were as dumb as Trump voters.
Don’t get me wrong, I get blaming the voters because this was not the election to take a stand. I used to tell people to suck it up, vote for Harris and then hammer your complaints until the DNC gets the point. However, looking at how the DNC has responded to their loss I don’t think there would ever come a time where people could voice their issues with the democratic party. Eventually the dems would’ve suffered such a catastrophic loss because they don’t listen to their voters and keep drifting to the right.
The voters don’t own an allegiance to the democratic party. The party is supposed to get the vote by actually representing the voters. That is not happening and ultimately that is not the fault of the voter, that fault lies solely with the party. They didn’t listen back in 2016 when they lost, they didn’t listen back in 2020 when they did win (people didn’t vote for Biden, they voted against Trump) and so far it seems they’re not going to listened this time as well. You can’t blame the voters when the dems are the ones not listening.
Yeah, the outcome sucks. Yes, America would’ve been better off if Harris had won. But even if Harris had won all it would’ve done is kick the buck to the next election because the underlying issues within the democratic party would’ve remained. Nothing actually gets better until the DNC gets better. And if the DNC doesn’t get any better tear the entire electoral system down and get real parties who would represent the people.
Nothing actually gets better until the DNC gets better
You do know that the DNC is not a person right? It’s not a static monolithic entity either. Tulsi Gabbert used to be in the DNC executive committee. The delegates elected by the primary voters control the DNC and will always control the DNC which changes membership constantly. So the only way to change that is through primary election choices. To change things people need to understand how things actually work now.
Eventually the dems would’ve suffered such a catastrophic loss because they don’t listen to their voters and keep drifting to the right.
Except that Dems stopped “drifting to the right” 20 years ago. The are merely drifting left too slowly. Biden was the most progressive president since LBJ 60 years ago.
But even if Harris had won all it would’ve done is
It would have resulted in tax increases on billionaires and corporations, which is the critical battleground of wealth inequality,. Would a more progressive candidate done this better? Yes. But stop pretending this is nothing. Taxes are 90% of the ballgame.
I don’t think there would ever come a time where people could voice their issues with the democratic party. Eventually the dems would’ve suffered such a catastrophic loss because they don’t listen to their voters and keep drifting to the right
Oh hey look it’s the opinion that for the last 2 years would get you nuked on votes getting only upvoted now!
Been yelling this since Joe “only running now to stop Trump” didn’t fucking prop anyone up during his term to run, fucking obvious they dont care because they know the other side is fascism and thought that was enough because they’re out-of-touch rich cunts
We should appreciate learning from mistakes. But we must also ask ourselves how the talking points of the loosing corporate strategy were hammered down and made to be picked up.
People always love to talk about how the far right is ripe with Russian and other foreign and corporate influence. But we need to acknowledge that the same problems hold true for the center and left. Maybe it is less foreign influence but certainly more corporate influence.
All sides are using Bernie to bash Democrats, and I don’t like it.
Pelosi is Democrat leadership. She is responsible for the supreme court running rampant, kamala, and the war on drugs still being a thing. She deserves to be hung as a traitor to the republic. Furious. We are furious at her. I’m angry at my dog for pissing on the couch. I’m furious at Pelosi.
You do know Pelosi stepped down from her leadership position almost exactly 2 years ago, right?
You mean her formal position as speaker of the house?
What an amazingly condescending tone to turn on your mod flag for. And to be so wrong!
Speaker of the House is different from Minority Leader.
She was removed as Speaker when the House fell to Republican control.
She voluntarily stepped down as minority leader almost exactly 2 years ago, replaced by Hakeem Jeffries.
She’s no longer a leader of the party other than in terms of seniority. Hasn’t been for 2 years.
I frankly think that while Bernie should be right, he’s not. His strategy would have also failed, though I’d rather that have been the attempt.
Simple fact of the matter is that out of 10 major countries with elections this year, all the incumbents lost. Didn’t matter whether they were left or right or whatever, they lost. Democrats were doomed by being the incumbents at a time when just so many are unhappy with how things currently are, and people are eager to change everything for a shot. Between having the pandemic become endemic everywhere, economies struggling to digest the massive COVID stimulus, supply chains still off due to both recovering from shutdowns and war, and just the overall situation in Ukraine and Gaza, there’s a lot for people to want a change of course, and they don’t know specifically how this all could get fixed.
Even if they went all-in on more leftist policies, most voters won’t see beyond the ‘D’ and know ‘D’ is what we had today, therefore ‘R’ must be attached to the answer. A critical mass of the electorate either can not or will not critically consider the respective platforms and instead just decide based on ‘keep the same’ or ‘change course’.
Meanwhile, in political circles, everyone is talking like the specifics and strategies made this huge difference or that huge difference and what it means, when the fact is likely that this result was pretty much a given no matter what.
I hadn’t thought about it in those terms, but this makes a lot of sense. Especially in a 2-party system the election is inevitably going to be a vibe check on the status quo as much as it is a specific election focusing on specific candidates and policies. I’d like to look more closely at the margins to get a feel for whether the Republicans could have run a ham sandwich and still been successful as opposed to the specific appeal of Trumpism.
Not that that changes how rough the next 4 years are going to get for a lot of people.
The Republicans are doing zero for the working class other than lying to them and giving their money yo billionaires.
Dems supported unions where Trump impugned them
Dems forgave student loans, Republicans went to court to stop it
Dems pushed to end noncompetes for the average worker, Republicans went to court to stop it
Dems passed the CHIPS act to bring good paying jobs to multiple communities
Dems passed an infrastructure bill while Trump had 100 infrastructure weeks that accomplished nothing
Trump said he’d fire workers rather than pay them overtime
Harris promised to investigate price gouging, Trump is supported by the oligarchy
Etc, etc
Uh… We all know Trump is bad you’re not proving anything here. However, policies aside, Harris’s campaign sucked ass. If you don’t understand or refuse to accept that then there’s no conversation to be had here.
Edit: I was responding to an argument that doesn’t exist nvm.
Are you trying to make a point? Because you’re not saying anything
I’m not defending Harris’ overall campaign, but I am taking some issue with Bernie claiming that the Democrats have abandoned working class voters.
I like Bernie, and he makes some good points about the lack of any bill put forth to raise the minimum wage. But I think his overall characterization is quite a bit off base, especially when compared to what the Republicans are offering working-class voters. Which is basically nothing
I’ll listen to any counterpoint with an open mind but you have to make one
Oh yeah my bad there. I’ve seen enough “there was no problem with Harris’s campaign” takes that I kinda default to that.
To respond to the actual point you made, let’s first forget about any comparisons to Republicans because that’s just not the point here. After that I wanna establish that Biden’s administration is, by all means, an exception. He ran on an explicitly left-wing platform that Bernie had a role in creating, and despite still being a corporate democrat did things that actually helped the working class. Compared to his campaign Harris ran on “nothing will fundamentally change” and straight up said she didn’t have anything in mind that she’d do differently from Biden regarding the economy. That rejection of change, which shaped her campaign as a whole (the economy is just the most egregious example), is abandoning a working class who desperately needs change. Add in how Harris explicitly tried to court Republicans and we have reason to believe the DNC intended to shift to the right rather than the left, again abandoning the working class.
Which indicates that policy is secondary to messaging. On every substantive policy metric, Democrats are better than Republicans. People even say they prefer Democratic policies over Republicans’ when polled, by wide margins. So it must be the messenger and the way the message is being conveyed that is losing elections. That’s not to say that policies don’t matter, they absolutely do, but if you’ve got great policies and shit messaging, then you’re not going to win voters over, no matter how much better you are.
The democrats don’t try to appeal to those without higher education. Republicans are great at presenting information in easy to digest bites.
I forgot which comedian did this bit during their standup but their point was that progressives/liberals/leftists suck at messaging or sloganeering. Their goals are noble but there are no catchy slogans to go with it.
Just think about it. “They’re killing the babies!” is way more catchy and effective than “Access to abortion should be available to everyone. Even if you want to have a child, some complications or health issues may require you to abort the pregnancy as early as you can.” Yeah that’s not reaching everyone, is it? And you can’t scream it like “They’re killing the babies!”
And that’s just an example of policy that was chosen by few states’, which they also voted for GOP, giving them power to ban abortion on federal level. (In case you are wondering which states: Arizona, Missouri, Montana, Nevada)
If you can’t communicate how you can give the people what they want, how do you even counter “Democrats hate America!” or stuff like that?
All of those things you posted sound good, but if you look at the details and execution, it’s either a pathetically laughable attempt or something they should have done 3 years ago.
Prosecute companies for wage theft.
Start splitting up monopolies at the beginning of your presidency or vice presidency, not at the end.
Don’t destroy the train union and then pretend that you’re pro-union because you went to one picket line. And as I recall, it was Joe who went.
When you push for non-competes or you push for student loan forgiveness, and the Republicans find legal ways to stop your efforts, find other legal ways to continue your efforts. If you just shrug your shoulders and say we tried, but we couldn’t make your lives better, of course nobody is going to think that you meant a word you said.
The Democrat said 4 years to deliver, or at least to show that they tried very hard to deliver, and they chose to do neither of those. Which is sad.
And if Harris is telling us what she wants to do in the future, we’re immediately going to ask why she and Joe didn’t already do it in the past. When we don’t get an answer, we just shrug our shoulders. It’s more of the same from Washington politicians. Democrats in Washington certainly represent somebody, but that somebody isn’t you and me.
And if Harris is telling us what she wants to do in the future, we’re immediately going to ask why she and Joe didn’t already do it in the past.
I’m very much on the “Dems fucked this up train” but you’re getting really close to this, which is also true. Because maybe the answer there is "You saw him up on that debate stage right? Or “You know I’m VP, not P right now, right?”
