165 points

Boy are they going to be disappointed

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67 points

Work camps are a job.

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Maybe democrats should have been talking about black jobs like Trump did. What is a black job anyhow? Is that what all those text messages that went out to black people when Trump was announced the winner of the election we’re about? Head hunters looking for new recruits to work in the exciting new field of… checks notes, uh, picking cotton.

Fuck people are ignorant.

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There’s still time for them to hop in the strawberry fields after the deportations, then unionize and strike and demand better wages before Musk gets rid of OSHA and collective bargaining

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11 points

Most Latinos do not work in the fields. Many of us have been here for several generations. There are many types of Latinos. (Disclaimer: I voted, phonebanked, and canvassed for Kamala.)

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I was more trying to say that most of the jobs Trump will create are the absolute shit-ass cash jobs no one wanted to do in the first place, after he does his undocumented mass deportation stuff, and boiled the sentiment down to a colloquialism

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To be honest, they were going to be disappointed either way.

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Life is disappointment. I still think a sane person on average would rather have a rainy day than someone piss in their Corn Flakes.

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What about a bunch of rainy days followed by someone pissing in your Corn Flakes anyway?

Maybe if so many people weren’t content with, and excusing away, constant choices between different types of disappointment, we wouldn’t have ended up where we are now. It is possible for something other than disappointment to exist…

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Black voters went from

9 Biden - 1 Trump

to

8 Harris - 2 Trump.

What got Trump elected was white people. This article tries to paint a narrative which does not exist.

If it were up to black and latinos Harris would be president.

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Still twice the amount of votes compared to the last election, which leaves me with my mouth open.

It’s like voting for the wolf when you are part of a flock of sheep because the other sheep you could elect instead is not exactly the way you picture the perfect sheep.

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What got trump elected was PPL NOT VOTING.

TRUMP GOT THE SAME AMOUNT OF VOTES EVERY YIME

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So what got Trump elected was the Dems not listening to voters and losing them?

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2 points

Yep. On the other hand, it seems like people aren’t worried enough about Trump to vote against him. No one loved Biden, but he was better than Trump. People just don’t seem to mind anymore.

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What got Trump elected was Democrats kicking out their base to make room for Liz Cheney and refusing to stop a genocide.

I’m not blaming white men for Trump winning. I’m blaming the DNC.

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Interesting! I don’t think you’re making it up, but do you have a source for that? I’d like to learn more.

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Hi, not comment-op, but… Here’s one of the first set of exit polls to look over: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls

Though it’s a little too early for real analysis, since ballots are still being counted. Really the most interesting questions are things like: in tipping-point states (like PA, MI, WI, maybe GA or NC) how did the vote/turnout shift? That sort of analysis takes a bit longer, though, so we’re stuck with clickbait articles like the one posted above.

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Thank you for saying this. I noticed in 2008 when Prop 8 was voted on in California that Black people (men in particular) are really the preferred scapegoat when things go wrong. All this despite their negligible numbers. 12 million white women (from 20 million) could vote for something detrimental to society and it’ll be crickets but let 10,000 (from 100,00) Black men vote for the same bad policy and somehow the story will be about the Black men.

This is an example of the so-called subtle bigotry that really isn’t so subtle.

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They’re trying to group them all together, and that’s not fair for this one. Around 78% of black men voted for Harris, as opposed to the around 44% of Latino men. They’re trying to distract us from the fact that a good portion of this was from white voters by mentioning Latinos anyway. Like, “How did we vote facisim. We didn’t vote for him.” That’s all I see articles for. Where are the articles breaking down why over 50% of white women voted for their own subjugation? They’re so used to black people being the scape goat, they throw us in there even when we had little impact on it.

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its a fair point, but 90% of black men voted for Biden. The slide did contribute to loss.

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78% of black men who voted. Now, just for funsies, what is the percentage of Black men who chose not to vote, and by acclimation, and I use that word charitably, didn’t vote for Harris thereby giving their missing Harris vote to Trump?

More Latinos voted for Donald Trump than have ever voted for any Republican candidate ever before.

You can spin all you like. Democrats lost every swing state and control of the Senate.

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Just for funsies, what is the percentage of white people who chose not to vote, and by acclimation, and I use that word charitable, didn’t vote for Harris thereby giving the missing Harris vote to Trump?

Hint, I bet you a hundred bucks that answer would dwarf whatever bullshit your trying to push.

Fix you own shortcomings there my guy.

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By percentage against the whole? I’ll take your bet and double it.

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Now, just for funsies, what is the percentage of Black men who chose not to vote, and by acclimation, and I use that word charitably, didn’t vote for Harris thereby giving their missing Harris vote to Trump?

How exactly do you give a missing vote to Trump? If they didn’t vote then neither candidate got that vote.

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A non-vote is exactly the same as voting for the winner.

If you would have voted for the winner, then not voting didn’t matter because your candidate won anyway.

If you would have voted for the loser, then your non-vote reduced the chance for your candidate to win; which mathematically in a FPTP system means it increased the chance for your opponent to win.

Though, it is one way to always be on the winning team. /s

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In some polls I’ve seen before the election, the top item for people – this is in general, not a specific demographic – who said that they would vote for Trump was the economy.

But you can break that down more than “economy”. “Economy” can mean a lot of things. How the stock market is doing. Unemployment. Inflation.

And when people were asked about that, in the polling data I saw, prices were the top concern.

I commented well before the election and pointed out that inflation is extremely unpopular with publics. In a study – and this is an old one, but apparently a well known one – that looked at the public in Germany, the US, and Brazil, the public – and particularly in Germany and the US – said that they’d rather have a recession than inflation. That is significant, because in contrast, the mainstream economic position is that it’s preferable for a country to have inflation than a recession.

I also listened to some interviews of people voting Trump, and a lot of people said “I was better-off under Trump than Biden”.

My guess is that you can probably chalk a considerable amount of this up to:

  • Not understanding that inflationary policies weren’t simply adopted in isolation, but to avoid a recession resulting from COVID-19.

  • Not knowing that it’s normally considered that inflationary policy is preferable to a recession.

  • Not knowing that the Trump administration also adopted inflationary policy.

I also remember reading some stuff going well back saying that in general, people tend to credit the President pretty directly for whatever the present state of the economy is. If there are issues, they put it at the feet of the President, and if it’s going well, they put it at the feet of the President…even if the President didn’t have much to do with it (or if it was actually policies from a prior administration that took time to have effect). So to some extent, the politics of being the President always, not just in a situation with a fair bit of inflation as we had stemming from COVID-19, have to do with that voter attribution to the President of the short-term state of the economy.

I’d also add that political organizations know this and will – not always honestly – aim to exacerbate that take.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/sep/08/donald-trump/fact-checking-donald-trump-on-the-scale-and-causes/

Donald Trump

stated on September 7, 2024 in a rally in Mosinee, Wis.:

Vice President Kamala Harris “cast the tiebreaking votes that caused the worst inflation in American history, costing a typical American family $28,000.”

So if one wants to avoid the executive being unreasonably penalized for – or taking credit for – the economic state of affairs, then there’s probably a hard communication problem that hasn’t been solved for decades and decades that needs to happen.

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a hard communication problem

I think it’s a lot like tech support. End users don’t care about the details. They just want to hear: I see your problem, and here’s how quickly I’m going to fix it.

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There are lots of people out there who think that inflation means how much prices have risen in some recent period of their memory. If something that cost $3 in 2018 is now $6 and you tell them inflation is at 2%, they will be completely bewildered as to how this can be true. There are also tons of people who don’t understand why deflation is bad or undesirable. If you can’t tell who is lying to you because you have no idea how the economy works, you’re just going to choose the one you remember as being better.

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Why is the focus on Black men when fewer than 25% voted for Trump. Meanwhile more than double that percentage of white women voted for Trump. Where is the analysis of their bizarre voting behavior?

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Exactly like 2016.

White women gave Trump the Presidency because deep down, they know structural racism benefits them more than any other group besides white men.

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