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They will never survive without Chicago. Rightwingers are the biggest welfare queens in America.

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Need a balanced budget amendment.

I’m tired of all my money going to worthless red states where reading is considered unmasculine.

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The irony of decrying conservative ignorance in the same comment as suggesting a “solution” based on conservative ignorance of the difference between a household or business and a government 🤦

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They’re the ones who hate welfare spending, I’m just trying to help them follow their principles.

You should have to suffer the consequences of your beliefs, at least when you inflict them on others by force.

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Grew up around central Illinois, the whole area blames Chicago for their problems while the true issue is all the auto manufacturing left in the 70-80s. If they formed their own state they’d be worse off than Mississippi. But hey, they’d get to keep Danville and East St. Louis, two of the worst cities in America.

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If they formed their own state they’d be worse off than Mississippi

Hey now, no need for exaggeration! It takes decades if not centuries of extreme corruption and bigotry to get THAT awful. You don’t get a title fight as your first bout.

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Hey, that’s not fare to welfare queens.

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The only way you can do that is if Congress signs off on it.

Every other state has an incentive not to permit that, because then that state gets two senators of its own.

Congress has only ever permitted a state to split a single time – West Virginia from Virginia, during the American Civil War, where West Virginia was willing to side with the Union, and contained some militarily-important rail and water infrastructure.

Texas also negotiated the right to have the ability to split into five states if it wanted down the line at the time it joined, but I recall reading that it was considered to no longer be an exerciseable option after the American Civil War.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admission_to_the_Union

Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1:

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.[4]

EDIT2: Correction; Kentucky was also split from Virginia and Maine from Massachusetts. The Kentucky split happened before the US Constitution was ratified. Maine was part of the Missouri Compromise, to keep slave and free states in balance when Missouri joined as a slave state.

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Tennessee split from North Carolina. Georgia split off Mississippi and Alabama

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Creating new states from territory that nominally belonged to an existing state (in the sense of claiming everything west of their established territory) but was actually unexplored frontier was a little different than carving a chunk out of an existing state with fully-established borders after the fact.

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No doubt it’s a bit different. But it was still splitting and both did have established western boundaries.

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TN also almost split like VA in the civil war. They were the last to secede (doing so to protest Lincoln calling for state militia members to quell the rebellion). East TN (Knoxville region) was unionist whereas West TN (Memphis region) was rebellious. TN also supplied the most fighters to the union of any secessionist state.

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They almost split because the east was mountainous and unfit for plantations, so the plantation owners that ran all the southern state legislatures shit on them endlessly, as is their wont.

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Tennessee split from North Carolina. Georgia split off Mississippi and Alabama

It’s like watching fecal amoeba undergo mitosis.

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Maine used to be part of Massachusetts until the Missouri compromise.

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I love how the vote was for them to just talk to other counties about it to see if they could do it.

“Yeah we went and talked about it. Turns out you can’t actually do that. Who woulda thought? Anyway, how 'bout dem Bears?”

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Quebec’s first referendum on Independence was like that, the government was asking for approval to negotiate the terms in order to hold a second referendum where people would know in advance how it would be handled, aka the reverse of how Brexit was handled (even though their referendum didn’t make it an obligation to do it).

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The States Attorney already said its nothing more than a symbolic gesture. They legally cannot secede from the state. I have the severe misfortune of living in one of these counties. Everything around here is dead or dying because of decades of total, uncontested Republican rule. Whole towns here are nearly abandoned. And yet, they STILL bitch about how the Democrats, who have no control here, have ruined everything.

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And then 2 years later they realize their tax base can’t support their infrastructure and this is how Iowa grows a couple gnarly tentacles

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