Y’all had a choice between less-than-perfect & and straight up hatred. Your choice was to let hate reign. And now you’re gloating about it. So fuck you for that. And your quaint meme is the equivalent of smearing your own shit on the wall in a tepid little tantrum, complete with wrongly framed arguments. Go ahead and downvote me or write a pithy faux angry response. This is social media. It’s fucking meaningless. Voting had meaning. As do the mass deportations that are the cornerstone of Trump’s campaign promises. You petty fucks.
I agree with both you and the meme. You’re right that everyone should have sucked it up and voted for Kamala anyway. The meme is right because the Dems fucked this royally at several stages. Yes, American voters have made a decision that I massively disagree with… But you also have to recognise the vast political mistakes the party have made that led to this point.
I have no skin in this game, but if the two options are that clear, you absolutely can blame the voters.
At the end of the day, this rhetoric is trying to find absolution by delegating responsibility to a higher authority. Not we, the voters, are wrong, it’s the party elites, that forced us to vote fascism into power because the other offer wasn’t good enough. It’s not our fault, it’s theirs.
No, you don’t get a pass. Germany didn’t get a pass, either. And rightly so.
Voters are blameless, they don’t get to choose how the parties manipulate them into voting or what they do afterwards.
Well, directly funding genocide is one that SO many people have been calling out as a mistake for over a year now.
So you think the 8-15 million potential voters so politically disengaged that they didn’t vote…
Spend their time hanging out on political forums?
The people you see online talking about it are politically engaged, which is why almost all of us voted D like every other election since we’ve been 18.
The ones you’re mad at will never see your insults.
And pointing out this years strategy was fucking stupid does still matter.
It mattered more years ago when we had plenty of time before the 2024 election, but it matters today for the 2028 election.too
Our country can’t afford the only options to be fascists and halfway fascists, we can’t keep moving to the right and expect anything to change
Nothing is changing. The voters won’t change. The DNC must be held accountable now.
I agree, and said so in 80, 84, 88, 2000, 2004, and 2016.
“If only they had done-“ still ignores two key points:
- Anyone can step up, so . . . where are these political masterminds the other 1400 days
- running a political party, or any organization with thousands of people in it, is hard as shit
The DNC silences anyone that isn’t a neocon establishment pick. They don’t let the people have a voice and just listen to their donors. They need to have real open primaries where they do not obstruct the outcome. Once they can find their maverick like Republicans found theirs maybe they’ll start winning decisively again.
You just sound sad, to be honest. Take some time away from the internet, to heal, to organise, to prepare for the next fight. Don’t give yourself up to hate as well, as it will only eat you from the inside.
I dont think a lack of primaries was part of the problem.
Maybe I’m not that smart, but shouldn’t we blame the fascists and the people who voted for the fascists for the impending fascism?
blame the whole fucking electorate. buncha fucking clowns pissed off because eggs cost $5 or some shit. the fuck is gonna happen when there’s tariffs on everything and no one working the fucking vegetable fields? what happens when the republicunts generate 8 trillion in new debt?
the fuck is gonna happen to the price of eggs?
Sure, but what’s your solution to that? What can Dems do differently next time that will stop the GOP cult from voting?
The answer is nothing, that’s why they are a cult. Nobody can break through to the entire group, just trying to get through to individual members is difficult enough. The time to try and prevent the cult from rising was two decades ago. Now that it’s here, our only option is to acknowledge its existence and fight it directly.
Blaming the GOP for running an effective campaign that motivated their cult to vote is how nobody learns anything. The Dems have to realize that they failed to run an effective campaign in opposition.
I just think finger pointing on the left is dumb, especially considering we don’t have proper breakdowns yet. Nobody has any good data, they’re just restating their opinions as the reason we lost.
Turnout didn’t change for Trump. In fact it was less than 2020. What happened was a repeat of 2016, this is the third time they put up an establishment candidate, when it’s been glaringly obvious Americans on the left and right are tired of that. The DNC is going to eat a lot of the blame this time–if not the majority, there are hardly any excuses this time.
They’d rather have Trump than a non establishment candidate they can’t control.
3 groups of eligible voters. Trump voters. Harris voters, and 3rd party/abstainers.
Yes, the first group to be upset with are trump voters. But largely they arent here, so discussion and memes focus on the other group, the abstainers.
There’s plenty of blame to go around. One thing a politician needs to do is effectively sell themselves to the people who will be voting. Harris spent a lot of time selling herself to Republicans.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/24/us/politics/kamala-harris-progressives-democrats.html
The people who voted for the fascists were always going to vote for the fascists.
I have no need or desire to argue with you about it. There is no end to people smarter and more eloquent than I who are explaining the exact same thing in more detail than I could, from Bernie Sanders to Rolling Stone.
Harris spent a lot of time selling herself to Republicans.
I disagree completely, but who can say. She refused to kiss a woman on stage, so maybe you’re right.
You don’t really have to take my word for it, there have been articles about her courting Republicans for weeks. You are free to disagree, but she very explicitly did do so. The article I linked in the comment you replied to gives specific examples, but your search engine of choice will find numerous articles listing the ways in which she did so, often with video. It’s not like it’s some tinfoil hat thing, it was her very obvious strategy.
Blame them and the fake leftists trying to pretend democrats lost for not being left enough. Both are responsible for the impending fascism.
Who was running the Democratic side of the race? Centrist democrats, or leftists? Maybe try blaming the people who had any kind of power, rather than those of us who were pointing out all along what a shitty campaign it was from the outside.
You’re blaming the leftists for not controlling the Democratic Party?
I guess? I still don’t know what leftist means here. Liberal is apparently an insult, no one admits to being a tankie, communists arent tankies, socialists are not anarchists who also aren’t leftists, and progressives apparently support genocide and hate trans people, I’m told? Neoliberal is - ? Corporate Democrats I think, or possibly nazis depending on what country you’re talking about.
This was a race between a B student and an orangutan throwing feces everywhere. We’re spending all our time talking about the questions the B student got wrong, but in the meantime we voted the orangutan as valedictorian and all he did was smear shit on the test and try to hump the microphone stand.
No her mistakes aren’t the problem. The problem is we’re willing to elect a monkey to shit on everything and blame an average decent person for losing.
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Fuck…
A class of kids would TOTALLY elect a monkey… We’re just old high schoolers… We’re so fucked…
Well that’s the problem, innit? The orange shit heap will get a good chunk of votes from the idiots no matter what. So the other candidate needs to be an A grade to attract the rest of the votes, otherwise the pile of feces will win. At this point it’s obvious the diarrhea puddle can do whatever he wants and still get his share of votes, so asking why he can do and say whatever and get away with it is pointless.
Well, this was their last opportunity.
“When I win, you’ll never have to vote again!”
I don’t really believe this. Trump says a lot of stupid things to stay in the headlines, it makes his followers think the media is against him and nothing they say is true. Remember when he wanted to lock her up? Or build the wall.
In saying that, I also have to say this is one of the biggest things I wouldn’t want to be wrong about.
I’ve been thinking about “don’t hold primaries” since reading this
