You’re old, straight, white and rich, motherfucker – YOU’RE going to be “ok.” Everyone else is fucked.
Mildly? I’m radicalized as fuck. This is the most infuriating shit. Fucken useless ass democrats are only good at constructing elaborate and expensive footguns. They couldn’t read the fucken room and hear people screaming for any change at all.
I’ve changed man, since then. I don’t know how I feel about the Democrats, but I’m devastated over who voted Republican. So many people in this country voted for him. It wasn’t just we had low turnout, but also just that he had so much. That’s the disheartening thing for me, that still, with everything we know, he still carries 50% of this country easily. So yeah, we had too few, but worse, he has too many.
Right? I found pre-election solace in knowing that even though his cult will never turn on him, he couldn’t have possibly gotten MORE supporters in the past 4 years.
Turns out they LOVE the hate and they want more of it.
Sorry, Mindless Americans, it’s not Trump’s fault anymore, it’s YOURS.
That’s what I’ve come around to. It’s not him. He’s a figurehead that we apply blame but it’s not. It’s the people - the public. They want this. They have the fear and the hate, they actively want it. If America didn’t want him, they wouldn’t have voted him in. Even with tampering/whatever, if America didn’t, he wouldn’t be there. But America does want him, and that’s a very sobering and sad thought to me. I try to live with a simple code - do what you want, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. I learned yesterday that most American’s don’t have similar values.
I’ve tried talking to trumpers to point out the double standards, contradictions, and outright lies. They don’t listen, just ad hominem or whatabout out of it.
I’ve tried talking and that doesn’t work, I’ve also tried being kind and all that shit no dice. But everyone gets upset when I say let’s shoot them, so please tell me more about how it’s my fault.
Republicans actively work for an uneducated population they can rule. That’s the root of this problem.
Last numbers I saw is that Trump more or less got the same amount of votes as 2020 while Harris got 15 million less votes than Biden.
I’m radicalized too. Wanna start a club? We could be the happy fun clan against fascism. Need a shorter name though
The media completely failed at their job of informing the public.
A democracy requires an informed citizenry, and the US media over the past eight years in particular created an increasingly misinformed citizenry.
When people are more concerned that a trans girl might play on a softball team than that the climate crisis might profoundly devastate the biosphere and much of life on it, human and otherwise, for the next 10,000 years, the media has failed. When people worry about crime when it is low, an economy when it is thriving and immigrants when they do much of the hard work that sustains that economy and commit fewer crimes than the native-born, the media has failed.
When it came to Donald Trump, they went easy on him, and they again and again let him and the far right set the agenda. They constantly treated asymmetrical issues as symmetrical ones – if the Democrats resisted Republican outrages, both sides were “polarized”. In the media everything had two sides, even if one side was the truth and the other was the lie, one side was the human rights or the law and the other side was their violation.
They went soft on Trump’s criminality and incompetence, and his sheer volume of scandals meant that the past ones were forgotten as the next one erupted. He would not have won his 2016 minority victory had the US news media adequately conveyed that Trump was not the fun fictional character in the reality TV show The Apprentice; he was a serially bankrupt man repeatedly accused of sexual assault with a lot of criminal ties and a history of not paying his bills, being helped on by the Vladimir Putin regime, which had itself seriously corrupted the information environment of the election.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/07/us-progressive-election-trump-maga
I can’t really blame the Democrats. The public is who failed. The Democrats ran a sane adult. That alone should have been enough to beat Trump.
No its not when people are in agony. To them, this is their torch. This is how fascism rises.
We made it through the Recession and COVID-19, but now people are in agony? No fucking way. They chose fascism because they are awful.
Some extracts from a great comment from another user on lemmy (readfanon). I’ll paste this here since some people seem to think that the Democrats did nothing wrong and it is the “left” voters who failed them :
1-You are chasing the DNC to the right and one day you will wake up and wonder to yourself “How did I end up all the way over here?” I’m not following you into that marsh but you’re welcome to go into it yourself, just don’t get upset at me when I point out what you’re heading into and don’t get angry when I refuse to blindly follow you.
2-Historically, fascism has never been stopped at the ballot box. You being convinced that this is possible does not sway my opinion on any matter aside from my estimation of your political awareness and your ability to achieve change.
3-You had four years (eight+ if you count Trump’s regime and the lead-up to it in this calculation) to “stop fascism”. What did you do in this period of time? Did you push Biden and Kamala to adopt policies which have mass support? Did you do anything except go to back to brunch?
4-You aren’t entitled to others’ votes. Stop pretending that you are.
5-We aren’t splitting the so-called left, Kamala Harris did that all by herself.
6-You have no red lines. There is nothing that could make you not support Kamala Harris and we know it. Telling people to drop their standards and ignore their conscience to vote for Kamala is a fatal strategy and you killed her campaign by deploying it.
7-Almost all of your arguments for voting for Kamala Harris (aside from the “it will stop Trump” argument which, in retrospect, appears to be a dismal failure) also apply to reasons for voting for Trump. “You can push them left”, “By voting we will get a seat at the table”, “Voting third party or not voting at all is a wasted vote”, “We have to vote this way to protect the country”, “Politics is about comprise - you cannot expect them to be your perfect political candidate”, and whatever hold-your-nose-and-vote arguments you trot out. Did you ever stop to ask yourself why it is that you do not find these arguments for voting Trump to be convincing?
8-Last time Trump got elected you were brutally vindictive. You took glee in the thought of people in red states and marginalised groups suffering due to policy and things like natural disasters, regardless of their politics or how they chose to vote. You were excited to tell these people that they were going to get deported and put into concentration camps. You will do it again this time too because you have learned nothing. November came and these people you targeted with your vicious schadenfreude remembered. They aren’t going to forget how effortlessly you abandoned them and how you wished the worst suffering and ill-fate upon them.
None of those excuses justifies voting for a clearly insane man. You don’t look at a normal person and a guy screaming about eating cats and say “that cat eating guy is the one out of the two who should have the nuclear codes”. It’s fucking moronic.
“The American experiment endures,”
I would say it just failed. I’m sorry but a system that elects a rapist, a 34 times convicted felon, one who defrauds students, cages children, takes away human rights, praises nazi’s and dictators, and this was just the first term. I’m sorry but by any metric I care to meaure it by this is a failed experiment.
And this is exactly what’s wrong with the Democrats, and why Biden never should’ve run. They’re too comfortable in their big houses with all their money and privilege. They have no fucking idea what it’s like for most Americans, and clearly they don’t care because they’ve never had to. There is no party in the US to fight for regular people, so they didn’t vote.
They are shit but they cant be alarmist reactionaries either. They need change but trying to encourage stability and console people isnt the worst
Except that they’ve spent the last 6 months telling everyone that it’s a choice between them and fascism. Then when fascism comes they’re like “oh well, we tried”.
I’m just hoping that this loss will eventually make the Dems look inward, but I’m not holding my breath when he’s saying shit like this.
I remember everyone saying the exact same in 2016. “Maybe Dems will reflect.” Other than putting up a white man for 2020, I can’t see a single difference in their approach ever since.
Fascism is something to be alarmed about! It’s an existential threat to democracy!
The Democrats had 4 years to do something about it and didn’t. “Vote for us or else” is not a long term strategy, all it takes is losing one or two elections.
And this is exactly what’s wrong with the Democrats, and why Biden never should’ve run.
Biden was there to beat Bernie.
There is no party in the US to fight for regular people, so they didn’t vote.
Greens are still here! I think we got 600,000 votes this year.
A vote for Stein this year was a vote for Trump. Vote green in your local and state elections to get support growing, don’t vote for them for president when they aren’t even on enough ballots to win and the alternative is a literal hitler-worshipper.
Edit - Stein was actually on the ballot in 38 states so she technically could’ve won. I was thinking of Claudia De la Cruz and the PSL party - I have the same sentiment with them this election. These two divided the left and only benefited Trump. Vote green or PSL in your local elections and grow support for the non-democrat left.
Stein was on enough ballots to win. You’re thinking of Claudia de la Cruz maybe.
Are you fucking kidding me, Jill Stein is your answer? Jill I don’t know how many people are in the House of Representatives and I refuse to call Putin a war criminal Stein?
Rich old white dudes are going to be ok.
Hate to break it to you, we’re still near the top of the heap.
Honestly him getting re-elected is the first time in my life where I felt the absolute gravity of “Oh, THIS is white privilege” like theres no fuckin nuance to this. I’m straight, white and middle aged. If I say the right things I’ll probably be fine, not much is going to change for me.
I cant say the same for a lot of other people.
I know what you mean, but I think lying under racism is classism, and the trumpers are a party to service rich people. I doubt they will take care of their “base”. Did Trump do anything for the impoverished whites last time? I dont remember.
“I know people are still hurting, but things are changing rapidly. Together we’ve changed America for the better. Now we have 74 days to finish the term, our term. Let’s make every day count.”
Jesus fucking Christmas. Nothing will penetrate his perfect shield of fantasy.
Well I mean, what would you say in that position? It’s hardly going to help any to come out and announce that everything is fucked and you’d probably also be pretty disinclined to say nothing of note was achieved in your own administration or that there isn’t really enough time to do much of anything in the remaining period.
The beginning and end of Leadership is accountability. The Dems refuse to accept their part in this loss.
The President and Vice President have zero outward indications that this is personally painful to them, at all. If anything, they seem relieved to be passing the potato. If they are so out of touch, or so insulated from the pernicious outcomes of their doleful stewardship of this country, then WHY should voters place their trust in that party again, considering it’s been helmed and staffed by the same obstinate members for decades?
I don’t see Leadership, I see a kind of craven capitulation, at a time when America most needs its leaders to have fire in their bellies, and compassion in their eyes.
He could resign right now and let Kamala finish the term, ruining the millions of dollars of “47” merch on the market.
It’s hardly going to help any to come out and announce that everything is fucked
Yes it fucking would! That kind of honest assessment of reality is exactly what millions of working-class people have been clamoring for from Democrats for years now and not fucking getting!
And by “millions,” I mean more than the margin of victory.
