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Tranquility is a real trait that some people have. It’s not a common one.

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And those people are not necessarily pacifists. The issue is that the idea that you would get from movies and TV is that they are one and the same.

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Hijacking this comment thread to say I appreciate you

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Thank you!

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For most people, a prerequisite feeling for tranquility, is contentment.

And trust me, no pacifist is “content” with the current state of the world. “Worry-free” is literally in the first sentence on the wikipedia page of the word, and I don’t think anyone can be that, except temporarily and/or by being inebriated.

The only way I know to be tranquil, is to ignore the world, and willfully focus only on the good things in my immediate surroundings, in my life specifically.

Essentially, to get there I have to take a break from caring about most things. I don’t like doing that. I want to improve things, and to do that I have to care about things to begin with.

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If you had to be content with the state of the world before feeling tranquil, nobody would ever feel tranquil.

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Then it’s a good thing that isn’t what I claimed.

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I’d also like to see more imagery of Jesus smashing up the temple rather than him calmly sitting under a tree.

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It’s easy for religious figures to be depicted as tranquil. They are often all-knowing, and if not, have faith in something all-knowing. They can blindly believe that everything will be fine, even if right now things look bad.

Because sky-daddy will take care of things.

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The more I know, the less fucking tranquil I am.

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Well, yes.

But by all-knowing, I meant the kind of view an omniscient god would have, accompanied by complete control of the universe.

Essentially, religious figures typically get to exist, knowing for sure that everything is going and will go according to plan.

It’s EASY to be tranquil, then. Even easier if you’re just a human, who genuinely believes such an entity exists.

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This is nothing to do with actual tranquility (in the sense of passaddhi), which is basically the opposite of everything you are describing.

You don’t cultivate tranquility by not knowing “not caring” about worldly factors; you cultivate tranquililty by abandoning the five hindrances (covetousness, ill-will, sloth, agitation, and compulsive questioning).

The Upanisa Sutta says that tranquillity comes from rapture and leads to happiness (the Samaññaphala Sutta repeats this). The precondition for tranquility is rapture, not “not caring about the state of the world”.

Tranquility is a mind that maintains a spacious calm in the face of adverse conditions. It’s nothing like what you’re saying.

Your view is harmful because you’re saying that someone without tranquility (with covetousness, ill-will, sloth, agitation, and compulsive questioning, without rapture), will be better equipped to deal with worldly problems, but the exact opposite is true: tranquility creates the space to deal with worldly problems more effectively. It’s harmful to advocate for hindrances because you claim that means people “care” more.

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We are using different definitions of the word.

You explain what your definition is, which affects mine (being the dictionary defintion) in no way whatsoever. We have nothing to discuss.

What you describe I would call stoicism, competence, composure or equanimity.

Most simply, level-headedness.

But not tranquility. Tranquility, by definition, being a state free of turmoil, cannot be maintained, if dealing with turmoil.

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Tempered rage might come across as tranquil, but it would be nice to have hints in the narrative. Reminds me of this line about Bruce controlling the Hulk: “That’s my secret, Cap: I’m always angry.”

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10 points

Calm like a bomb.

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3 points

Sounds like Vinland Saga

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Ghandi?

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Nope.

It is not that I do not get angry. I don’t give vent to my anger. I cultivate the quality of patience as angerlessness, and generally speaking, I succeed. But I only control my anger when it comes. How I find it possible to control it would be a useless question, for it is a habit that everyone must cultivate and must succeed in forming by constant practice.

― Mahatma Gandhi

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More like Benjamin Lay.

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