Dozens of interviews with people deeply familiar or involved with the election process point to a clear consensus: Not only could Trump make a second attempt at overturning an election he loses, he and his allies are already laying the groundwork.

Archived at https://ghostarchive.org/archive/8e3Ri

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In the event of a electoral system collapse, the BIOS of government is “who would the military support?”

Harris wins enough states to get to 270 and then (Some electoral votes get sent wrong/don’t get sent and congress/SCOTUS rules Trump the winner), Harris asked the military “who do you support?” and it might be Trump is put in jail by the military before he can be sworn in. Sets a bad “president”, but if you throw out the rules to win, expect the other side to do the same.

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Sorry to be pedantic but the word is “precedent”

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99.9% sure that’s in quotes because it’s an intentional pun

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Except that the Dems are consistently unwilling to play hardball. The generals would have to make the decision to intervene without being asked for that scenario to play out. I don’t know much about sentiment in the upper (or even lower) ranks of the US military, but that seems unlikely.

Even then, there’s a significant chance Harris refuses to be put in power by military intervention, or the generals believe she would remove them and instruct her attorney general to prosecute them. So military intervention, if successful, would at best mean new (military supervised) elections.

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The plan is pretty simple.

  1. Win PA, hold the red states. Trump Wins.

  2. If a red state falls, get it’s leadership to declare a Republican win anyway or refuse to send delegates to the Electoral College. This denies Harris EC votes.

  3. Number 2 may mean neither candidate gets 270 EC votes, in this case a joint session of Congress will decide the election. Unless a miracle happens this will be Trump because they vote by State delegation.

  4. If Harris wins PA and the Rust Belt, go to SCOTUS.

  5. If all else fails, go back to January 6th but with rhetoric meant to make the mob want to occupy the Capitol permanently.

They’re already trying to get county clerks and election officials to do the job from the inside. Trump even honors them in person at his rallies. So buckle up for a year where election fraud goes big.

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  1. If all else fails, go back to January 6th

I doubt the capitol police and national guard will be unprepared for that this time.

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Occupy the capitol permanently? As if the military industrial complex doesn’t have special forces squads who specifically train to exterminate this kind of threat. The nanosecond it becomes serious again, shots will be fired into the insurrectionists until they either give up or stop breathing

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You think Trump cares about the people in the mob?

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Number 5 may be part of the plan but it won’t work this time. It only worked last time because Trump himself refused to increase security around the Capitol.

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He doesn’t typically attract the smart voters.

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Also because security mostly refused to use deadly force. Those security forces are mostly used to dealing with tourist issues, not criminals with guns. That may change if more hardened, militarized police forces are used.

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We already let Dubya get away with it.

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That was so insane

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That’s the moment when they learned what they could get away with; what the Democrats will just take.

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This kind of article is kinda baitclick because it ignores the elephant in the room… If Trump is running a coup d’etat, what will people in power do? Will they sit there, like they did in 2000? If he’s audacious enough, they won’t. For example, if SCOTUS tries to decide the election (like they did in 2000), I think we would see complete collapse on many levels in many ways.

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Yeah I’d wager that if trump again organizes a “peace for honest elections” protest, national guard will indeed be used against American citizens, just now how he imagined it

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Lol politico what a crock of shit they are

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