Mel Nichols, a 37-year-old bartender in Phoenix, Arizona, takes home anywhere from $30 to $50 an hour with tips included. But the uncertainty of how much she’s going to make on a daily basis is a constant source of stress.

“For every good day, there’s three bad days,” said Nichols, who has been in the service industry since she was a teenager. “You have no security when it comes to knowing how much you’re going to make.”

The amount tipped workers make varies by state. Fourteen states pay the federal minimum, or just above $2 an hour for tipped workers and $7 an hour for non-tipped workers.

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Wait do people really not know that servers and bartenders already make below minimum wage before tip? In NY and I think most states have it set up so the specially set minimum wage for tipped service workers + the minimum % you must claim from tips comes out to the state wide minimum wage amount. Everything they make in tips after that is cash in hand no taxes, period.

The fact this is even up for debate shows the people debating to raise it have no idea what they’re talking about.

If you suck at you job and keep getting scheduled on swing shifts that see no patrons so no tips, your employer must match the necessary amount to get you to minimum wage. Only ever saw that happen a few times for really really part time servers. But in one or two 4-6 hour dinner rushes at average sized establishment, it was more rare for the servers to NOT take home more than what the cooks made in a 40hr week. 8-12hrs of largely untaxed tips = more than 40hrs @ 12/hr or at least that was the case 7-10 years ago.

Lesson 2, never go salary working for a restaurant. It turns you into legal slave labor. You will be at that restaurant more than you aren’t for the same fuckin paycheck amount week in and week out. I never went salary but have a record of 91hr work week when the place I was at opened a new location. Made bank hourly but if I were salary I’d be the same amount paycheck for 90hrs of work.

That’s what we should be looking to improve regulations on. Exploiting faux salary promotions for exploration of labor laws lol

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A living wage fixes all those problems. It not only fills in the hole where those “rare” servers don’t bring in enough to even cover minimum wages, but gives the worker in any job the power to choose to work or not. The employer has to make the job more attractive to bring them in. Anyone who says that’s going to be hard for the employer…that’s exactly what they want to you say.

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I stopped reading after your first paragraph because there is so much wrong.

Minimum wage is federal law. If, as a tipped worker, at the end of a pay period, your base wage plus tips doesn’t make minimum wage, your employer must make up the difference. (I don’t know if states with higher minimum wages carry over this requirement, or if the employer only has to make up to the federal minimum wage.)

You are supposed to report all tips as income. Yes, most people will under-report cash tips, but that is tax fraud. (Again, this may vary for state taxes, but I’m not aware of any that say tips past minimum wage are tax-free.)

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I never tip. Tipping culture should die.

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That’s wrong. What you should do is never go to restaurants where workers rely on tips. They have to tip out the bartender/busboy/runner at the end of the night and you not tipping means they’re losing money when that happens.

So maybe don’t be an asshole and abuse an already terrible system.

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Tipping means facilitating this system.

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By not tipping in a place where it’s expected, you’re facilitating the system and ensuring the employee is exploited.

If you don’t patronise places where tipping is expected, then you’re not facilitating the system.

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When oh don’t tip you give the restaurant their money, but the waiter doesn’t get their money. Think about who this is hurting.

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Downvoted for even asking such a cunty question with only one answer.

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No one should ever have to work for tips. A living wage should be minimum for all workers, no exceptions. If you get tipped beyond that, great, otherwise, fuck off employers exploiting people.

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You’d rather the person in question make $20 an hour all the time instead of $30-$50?

Because that’s what would happen

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No they would make the $20 plus the tips instead of $3 plus the tip so if they made $30 in an hour and only $3 was from their hourly rate that would mean with the new rate they would be making $47.

Why would you assume people would stop tipping? As a consumer I would have no idea their hourly pay rate changed so why would I change my tip? Also tips are based on the service provided not the difference between what they are paid and a living wage that’s not my problem as a consumer.

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The poster said nobody should ever work for tips

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This is the bullshit propaganda restaurant owners spread, and unfortunately a lot of tipped workers buy it.

If you’re making $30-50 an hour, why would you stay at the job if they offered you $20? Your job is a skill, and the better you are, the more it is worth to your employer. Employees will go where their skills are appropriately compensated. Setting the minimum ensures that all workers can support themselves, and that will force all wages higher.

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So labor is worth market value in the labor market?

I agree, then there’s no need to change minimum wages for tipped employees

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Just abolish tipping. Everyone hates it except the restaurant owner. Why are we pandering to the owners when the customers and the staff vastly outnumber them?

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That question summarizes most of the problems in the US pretty damn well.

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Actually a lot of servers and bartenders get really annoyed by the prospect of abolishing tipping. They can make really good money from tips.

I agree it’s a terrible system but you get a lot of push-back from workers if you try to change it.

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I’m fine with this, I’ve been in countries where there’s no tipping and their service is just as good

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Just to clarify, since people are confused. No one should ever have to live off sub standard wages and hope to hell they make enough tips to survive. This is an exhausting daily hustle that detracts from your quality of life. A livable minimum wage, enforced in all states and industries for every employee, regardless of age, should exist, no exceptions. $20/hr would be a good start. And if people also earned tip money, that went directly to that employee, no sharing with the employer or other employees, that would be fine. Employers need to pay employees proper wages, not your customers.

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Lol but they already paid so little because of tips. And now they want to go even lower?!

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I dunno about you, but $30/hr seems pretty good for a HS grad

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No, this is to eliminate the tipped minimum wage.

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There are two bills mentioned in the article. One in Arizona is to make the subminimum wage even lower. One in Massachusetts is to raise the sub minimum wage to match minimum wage, effectively eliminating subminimum wage.

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Shame on me for assuming the Arizona one would also be progressive. (I live in Massachusetts, so I’m familiar with that proposal.)

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