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They aren’t protecting you. They are protecting themselves from what you may give their enemies. Don’t think just because the federal government is doing something “for the people” that nominally it’s not about the government itself. National security is literally the government protecting itself by protecting its citizens.

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Pretty much this! Also it is much easier and cheaper to tell Google to stop offering tiktok in their app store then it is to build affordable housing where it is needed…

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Yea but where? There’s a push for it in my state. Drove past a new area that will be a neighborhood of cookie cutter SFH, probably with driveways too short to contain full size vehicles. And they’ll cost more than half a million so I’m not sure how that’s affordable. Anyway. It’s being built on the flood plain. 8/10 flood factor.

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Ah yes, the obvious solution: more suburban blight.

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We really need more high density housing closer to urban centers, but Americans seem to be allergic to it. Everyone wants their single family house. Also too, without subsidies they’re is no profit incentive for developers to build the necessary housing stock, they all shoot for “luxury” housing because it’s the most profitable.

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Facebook sold personal data to a foreign organization called Cambridge Analytica who used it to influence our elections. If their motivations are to protect us via protecting themselves, why is Facebook not banned, and not even in the discussion of being banned?

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For one thing, today isn’t 2015

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Did occurring in 2015 happen to make it less bad somehow? We sure as hell weren’t passing laws to ban facebook back then either, so I’m not sure what point you think you’ve made.

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Wrong. They let Cambridge collect it on their platform. Huge difference.

The rest of your post is irrelevant.

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Their justification for banning Tiktok is that it allows the Chinese government to collect on their platform. It’s the same fucking thing.

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And we should ban them too. I love this argument. We need better user data privacy laws, and this whataboutism does not change the fact that China is a hostile foreign nation.

I can appreciate that people view Google and Meta and so on as very similar in their transgressions. But as was pointed out in the original comment, this is a cost to benefit ratio type of analysis for the federal government and they gain more by keeping Meta and Google going and can enact other measures to prevent that from hurting them (usually reactionary), so to them this is fine. It is and always has been about what the US government can to do protect itself and enrich itself. Enrichment doesn’t always come in the form of monetary value.

If you’re upset at your own government (or government adjacent tech entities) gathering this type of data from users, you should be for banning them too, not keeping tik tok.

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I am for severely restricting the ability for all corporations to gather and sell user data. You think I’m making a whattaboutism or whatever debate buzzword you want to conjure up; what I’m taking issue with is the argument that the reason they’re getting banned has anything to do with that data collection or “national security”. If that had any truth to it, Facebook would have gotten the same treatment, or at the very least would be in the conversation now since they do the same exact shit. If this was about data collection they would pass regulations about that instead of targeting one specific site to unilaterally ban.

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I’m on board with the sentiment but are we really defending TikTok? I haven’t kept up on the issue but personally I wouldn’t cry if TikTok went away.

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Facefuck and Twatter are just as bad but they spy on Americans for America, so it is allowed

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Exactly get rid of all of them

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They won’t go away until people stop using them, and good luck with that.

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I want Facebook! The one without recommendations and with posts from my friends.

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Ding ding ding. Huge diff between China having that data and us companies, yes.

You’re learning!

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Save your condescension for someone else

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I mean from American government pov that’s a lot better

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We are not defending tiktok

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Didn’t you know that if you criticize one thing it means the opposite is perfect and beyond reproach!

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Watch? That would imply looking at the situation, so no I don’t think that’s quite the right word…

For one side it’s more like “stand back and stand by”, if you catch my drift, while for the other it’s somewhat like claiming every four years to always have a ready supply of hot sauce stored in one’s purse. (you see, a “purse” is a bag that we poors, specifically women, use to carry things - basically it’s a nonmoving car where your butler puts all the “things” that you need for the entire day, except you are your own butler, and the purse doesn’t drive to anywhere, and it gets heavy!)

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How can Steve ban tiktok if Doug won’t let him mitigate homelessness? Why is Bob talking about housing when Alex is gung-ho on genocide?

Sorry, I meant to ask: how can the government ban tiktok when the government won’t do anything about homelessness? How can the government be proud of mitigating homelessness when the government supports genocide?

Citizens United must be a curse from a Greek god. A funny little jab to highlight our tendency to oversimplify.

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“a genocide” LOL…this palestine propaganda is really getting out og hand. it is one of the many current genocides. russians wiping out cultures and nations, china on tibet or the uigurs, shit syria on aramaics and assyrians, fucking turkey on kurds and armenians. but yeah…it is “one” genocide now. kids are fucking stupid.

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How dare you assume I was talking about Palestine, I was talking about the Uyghurs in China.

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You had me in the first part, NGL.

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