A decade after the Flint, Michigan, water crisis raised alarms about the continuing dangers of lead in tap water, President Joe Biden is setting a 10-year deadline for cities across the nation to replace their lead pipes, finalizing an aggressive approach aimed at ensuring that drinking water is safe for all Americans.

Biden is expected to announce the final Environmental Protection Agency rule Tuesday in the swing state of Wisconsin during the final month of a tight presidential campaign. The announcement highlights an issue — safe drinking water — that Kamala Harris has prioritized as vice president and during her presidential campaign. The new rule supplants a looser standard set by former President Donald Trump’s administration that did not include a universal requirement to replace lead pipes.

Biden and Harris believe it’s “a moral imperative” to ensure that everyone has access to clean drinking water, EPA Administrator Michael Regan told reporters Monday. “We know that over 9 million legacy lead pipes continue to deliver water to homes across our country. But the science has been clear for decades: There is no safe level of lead in our drinking water.’’

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Wow so ambitious, and then as we near the deadline we can extend it by 10 years!

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well we only have 50 years left so they only gotta push this off like three times and then it won’t matter

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Actually if trump gets elected that plan is going to get shelved entirely. Way worse.

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We’re actually in full swing replacing lead lines already. The BIL funding is paying for it and there’s an imminent deadline to have a lead inventory (Oct 16)

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Thats good news!

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Didn’t the corrupt supreme court just take away Chevron Deference? This needed rule will be disqualified by the captured courts.

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Trump will mandate more lead pipes. “They took the sweetness out of the water! Water used to be sweet! It isn’t sweet anymore! We like sweet water, don’t we, folks?”

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That honestly would not surprise me if he did allow lead. He thinks asbestos is 100% safe and is only being removed because the mob lobbied for it to get the construction contracts.

And let’s not forget that Reagan wanted to reverse banning the use of lead and had a study commissioned to show how much money it would save the economy. The person writing the report decided to add in the massive negative health and societal consequences of removing the ban which showed a huge cost to the economy by removing the ban.

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Trump is straight up trying to kill Americans. He is Russia’s most dangerous bioweapon

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Trump needs lead water pipes to get votes.

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10 years is “someone else’s problem” timeframe

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you Americans have … what?

What’s next? Asbestos in your toilet paper?

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Where are you from? Lead pipes are still a thing most everywhere unfortunately. A relic of the past. They aren’t used for new construction, but they are a problem with older infrastructure.

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I am from Berlin Germany. Just looked it up and no. The main grid is 100% free from lead.

https://www.bwb.de/de/wasseranalyse.php

Edit: may be a German thing. We value tab water really high. The quality standards are higher than from bottled water.

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Well that’s good. I was reading that in the UK, they still have lead pipes, but they don’t repair them. If they have to repair it, they just replace it. I imagine it’s the same here. No one’s laying new lead pipes anywhere that I know of.

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Germany banned Lead Pipes in the southern region over a century ago but elsewhere still installed them in homes until 1973 and started regulating lead content in water in 2013, at which time A LOT of infrastructure was removed and replaced.

Still, many people are not aware of the lead pipe problem. “Drinking water in Germany is generally of high quality, and that’s the message people take with them,” says Karin Gerhardy, of the German Technical and Scientific Association for Gas and Water (DVGW), which works closely with water suppliers and authorities.

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I used to live in a town where ~10% of water lines were still wood, if I recall correctly.

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Hmmmm, lead water from my bidet, or asbestos toilet paper, which will poison my poor asshole quicker I wonder?

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I mean good, but also Jesus Christ how is this even an issue in the states?

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That’s so fucked up.

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Now I’m kinda curious what happens to all the arsenic you usually get from gold mines. Do you still make skincare products with it?

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Lead has many amazing properteis in metalurgy.

floride is NOT toxic in normal quantities. That is a myth you hear from the same people who spread anti vax garbage.

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Lead is traditionally used in piping, it was only relatively recently that health concerns over lead became major. Not some “CORPORATIONS WERE PUSHING BIG LEAD” conspiracy.

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https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-lead-pipes-20160204-story.html

“They did everything that becomes known as the signature of the tobacco industry,” said Rosner, who has aided anti-lead lawsuits and co-wrote the 2013 book “Lead Wars.” “In fact, they were really pioneered by the lead industries. … The [Lead Industries Assn.] can take credit for creating this giant doubt industry.”

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USA is #1 shithole country.

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A lot of places have done a lot to replace these over the years but it’s expensive and these are not (until now) tracked. Anywhere.

I also think this was a casualty of our federal system - any previous attempt at systematically replacing these was probably ignored as an unfounded mandate from the feds for work that is local.

While I remember there was a big effort to replace lead water lines in Boston a couple decades ago, I think that was just the mains. You were expected to replace water lines to your house at your own expense. I don’t remember whether there was any effort to enforce it but the MWRA has a huge map of areas that still need to be remediated

Here’s a quick overview of the history that seems so American

Edit to add: MWRA has widespread lead monitoring and carefully adjusts water chemistry to avoid lead leaching out of pipes. They’ve had this in an annual report since well before Flint decided that wasn’t important

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I always heard that Cook county Illinois has them MANDATED (yes, mandatory for the stretch of pipe that connects the trunk to the house) in the code because only union members have the training to work on them.

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You’ve met us, right? Don’t we seem a little off? Now you know why.

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Big business pays off everyone from the top down to ignore that the issue is killing everyone, from the top down.

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It’s expensive and time consuming to replace pipes. Many cities don’t have accurate maps of their pipes either. The actual danger from the existing pipes is extremely low under normal circumstances.

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Along with the other reasons, people were relatively content with the excuse that the layer of buildup within the pipes would protect from the lead.

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People forget that the proximate cause of the lead contamination in Flint wasn’t the pipes themselves (which had been in use, relatively safely, for decades), but instead that locals in charge of the water system got forcibly replaced with an emergency manager appointed by the (Republican) governor, who ordered the system to be switched from sourcing water from Detroit (Lake Huron) to the Flint River to save money and failed to treat it with the usual corrosion-control additives that Detroit had been using.

To blame the pipes is to let the Republicans off the hook for their miserliness, incompetence and systemic racism.

https://www.nrdc.org/stories/flint-water-crisis-everything-you-need-know

https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2016/01/epa_official_says_he_was.html

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/chemical-study-ground-zero-house-flint-water-crisis-180962030/

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Sure they shouldn’t be let off the hook (they probably will be, have been though), but this was just a workaround to mitigate the lead in pipes. It was a good idea for a temporary fix

Those water mains always needed to be replaced and we were making zero progress on that

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The argument isn’t just about acute or symptomatic exposure, but any exposure.

Lead can bioaccumulate within our bodies and while we may not yet know to what extent of health issues it can pose, we do know it is a neurotoxic substance.

What you are arguing is the equivalence of putting all of the blame on a construction team for lead/asbestos exposure when neither should have been used in the beginning. Yes, Flint should have been handled better, but the pipes also shouldn’t have been leaded in the first place.

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