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Fun fact: one of (if not the) oldest known piece of human figurative art is carving of a person with the head of a lion. AKA a furry.
Imagining furries is more innate to the human condition than farming.
I’ve never understood the furry hate. People treat it as a kink akin to someone being into taking a shit on your stomach. Except somehow worse.
It’s not my thing, but I’ve known people who are into it and they’ve all been nice people. I hung out with a bunch of them one of the times I was working at a con and they were fun people to hang around when they were out of their fursuits. And yeah, I didn’t quite know how to react to them when they were in the fursuit, but I just stayed friendly. That seemed to be fine with them.
Furries are odd fellows, but I would never say anything against them for fear of all IT infrastructure spontaneously trying to kill for the rest of my life because it’s just odd, not harmful. De gustibus non disputandum est.
Right. They’re just into something weird. No big deal, lots of us are into weird things. The weird stuff I’m into doesn’t involve spending lots of money or wearing a costume that must be very hot after a short period of time, but if that’s what does it for you, cool. I’ll be over here watching hours of old public domain movies and industrial films.
One of the most consistent themes with furries I have noticed is unapologetic sex positivity.
That burns a lot of folks who insist sex is shameful and something to apologize for.
There’s a loud subculture of furries who insist sex is shameful and something to apologize for.
Huh… I’ve been here a smidge under 20 years, and I’ve never met a fur who shares that sentiment. Awkward and quiet about it, sure, but nobody who is like “bad grrrr gross grrrr”. Almost exclusively in my circles it’s on the range of “I don’t mind at all, be weird with me” to (where I sit) “literally get freaky with me whenever and however, here are my kinks on f-list with all my sona details, also here is my 4K webcam and we can become content creators if you want too” levels of casual/open/positivity.
‘we are here for a good time, not a long time’. So, literally, fuck it. Do what/who makes you feel good.
It certainly feels that way sometimes. “I can’t say the other F-word, so I’ll call you a furry.”
phobia of neurodivergent people as well, I think. A lot of the things people find weird and offputting are just like… autism or something.
I’m autistic and an LGBT ally and I still find furries off-putting. I try not to judge, but in general I treat them like street proselytizers and the mentally unwell homeless: don’t make eye contact and keep out of smelling range.
Yes, and people perceive homosexuality as degeneracy too. It applies to both. Homosexuality is also not about sex. You can never have sex your entire life and be gay.
Yeah, I can see that. The weird thing is, why the fuck are others giving a shit about what the fuck I do? It turns the conversation on its head when you ask what they are into.
I’m a fur for the happy cuddly sfw stuff, but I also want to bury my knot in an adorable subby boy too. I went all-in on both halves of the fandom basically as soon as I found out about it, and I’ve never been apologetic or put up with any shaming. And there’s nobody who would pass up the opportunity to double their penis length and girth, grow a thick knot, have badass razor-sharp teeth, jaw muscles to go with it, can hunt and defend themselves without any outside object assisting them, and also have the aura that comes with it, just walk in the room and the mood immediately shifts. At least, no top/dom. I’m sure bottoms/subs are out there that want to feel helpless and vulnerable. But subs aren’t the people that are being little bitches about what I do in my bedroom.
furries get a lot of psychological safety out of embracing animalistic traits in all contexts. Speech is extremely difficult for me and being able to “awooo arf x3 wuf bark!” my way through normal day to day conversations with partners is such an inexplicable relief that I hope people with a passing understanding of neurodivergence can empathize.
For as beneficial as these things are in normal day to day life, it would in fact be far weirder if it didn’t extend to the bedroom too. Like play-gnawing a partner to say “I love you” and then getting to the bed with them and just saying “ok for this one thing in particular I am a normal human who doesn’t howl!!!”
That would be fucking weird right?
Idk it makes me kinda uncomfortable tbh, so maybe my insight is useful here? Not that I’d stop them from doing their thing in private or at a con I won’t be attending, but I would like to stay as far away from that shit as possible personally. Here’s my reasons, some of which of course won’t apply to every furry, like all groups they’re not really a hivemind, but…
-The anonymity is cool, but to a degree anyone in a mask or full suit (be it a shiesty, clown costume, etc) outside of common events like Halloween immediately makes me a bit wary, sure probably nothing will happen but also if they do commit some crime they’ll be harder to identify out of that costume. The only benefit furries have over others here is the cost of those suits, that’d be an expensive costume to have to ditch, but at a con they can blend in in the suit (“Idk the guy who stabbed me was like…some blue dog or wolf thing, goddammit.” Lol)
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The fact that they insist it isn’t sexual, when it clearly is at least for many. It gives me the same “don’t involve me in your kinks” feeling like if I saw a dominatrix and her sub licking her heels in a McDonalds, and the fact that for many it is sexual means that the ones that are “just for fun” get caught in that crossfire and make me feel that same gross feeling. Again not kink shaming, just non consensually involving the public in your kinks shaming, as consent is important.
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The fact that everyone wants to be an animal and for many that is sexual is uhh…not not creepy. It’s sorta pseudobeastiality even if those people say “well I don’t really want to fuck a real dog” ok sure, I actually do believe that, but it’s still uncomfortably close and I wouldn’t be surprised of some of them do.
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It seems to have some overlap with the contingent of online people that like to call themselves wolfkin and stuff, like vulpine.club or whatever that masto instance was. I’m not sure how much overlap, but I have seen some creepy shit posted from the individuals there, and the complete lack of reality those people live in is maybe not bad but it is startling and makes me uncomfortable. Again, I agree with their right to do it, but I blocked the instance, ykwim.
That’s basically it. Again I’m not saying let’s hunt them down lol, I’m just saying I don’t want to be involved at all whether it is or isn’t sexual, and sharing my personal feelings on why it makes me uncomfortable especially when out of place.
Edit: OH I can’t believe I forgot to list the biggest reason!
- An insignificant portion of furries are actual literal nazis. Like, not “was there in '33” nazis, but neonazis that literally idolize those people, wear armbands, I’ve seen nazi uniforms that are somehow fucking big enough to fit on a fox mascot suit (must’ve belonged to Göring, or maybe Sgt. Schultz), etc. So like, that’s fucking weird too.
I’ve seen these sentiments a lot, usually not spelled out like this though. I think the unease often comes from associating anthropomorphic animals with children’s media exclusively. That way it seems scandalous that there is an adult component to the subculture. Pretty much every subculture/fandom has that, of course, but people don’t seem to mind as much when it’s anime, goths and so on.
The fact that they insist it isn’t sexual, when it clearly is at least for many.
In my experience people push back against that characterization because the existence of an adult component seems to make everything else disappear or read as dishonest for some people. There is plenty of perfectly innocent, family-friendly content and we genuinely like it for that, not as a sex thing. Those things can coexist just fine with neither diminishing the other.
feeling like if I saw a dominatrix and her sub licking her heels in a McDonalds
If you remove the sex/fetish stuff from the BDSM community you’d really have nothing left, if you remove it from furries you’d still have a group of people who really love anthropomorphic animal characters, just not also in that way.
Also, ew, who goes to McDonald’s?
The fact that everyone wants to be an animal and for many that is sexual is uhh…not not creepy
If we just roll with that, what do you think about all the people who fetishize vampires, for example? That’s pretty much mainstream now (not just because of Twilight) and it’s literally undead, blood drinking, mind controlling monsters.
"Idk the guy who stabbed me was like…some blue dog or wolf thing, goddammit.” Lol
You’ll be relieved to know that most people in costume can’t see or hear very well, so you’ll have the advantage in a knife fight.
An insignificant portion of furries are actual literal nazis.
Yeah, in open groups with tens of thousands of members you’ll have some bad people, not really surprising is it? Look at anime, comics, warhammer, … anything nerdy and not-so-nerdy, they are there too.
The fact that they insist it isn’t sexual, when it clearly is at least for many. It gives me the same “don’t involve me in your kinks” feeling like if I saw a dominatrix and her sub licking her heels in a McDonalds, and the fact that for many it is sexual means that the ones that are “just for fun” get caught in that crossfire and make me feel that same gross feeling. Again not kink shaming, just non consensually involving the public in your kinks shaming, as consent is important.
Okay, but when do you see people in fursuits just walking around in public? I can’t think of a time. I don’t think they are involving people in their kinks. Not most of the time anyway.
The fact that they insist it isn’t sexual, when it clearly is at least for many. It gives me the same “don’t involve me in your kinks” feeling like if I saw a dominatrix and her sub licking her heels in a McDonalds
i think this whole dialogue is just, fucking stupid to be honest. If we want to complain about porn, and NSFW material, we should be banishing the entire fucking human race to death instantly because the porn industry is a massive mover of money.
The fandom with the biggest sex positive scene is literally humanity. Who gives a shit what furries do. They just happen to very sex positive and open about things, as some people do. It’s both hyper sexualized and extremely wholesome. It’s just the duality between those things that confuses people.
Funny example of this, on the image board e621, you aren’t allowed to leave weird sexualized comments. You get banned for that. But you can also post the most heinous NSFW material ever there as well assuming it abides by the rules (which is basically just “drawn furry art”)
It seems to have some overlap with the contingent of online people that like to call themselves wolfkin and stuff, like vulpine.club or whatever that masto instance was. I’m not sure how much overlap, but I have seen some creepy shit posted from the individuals there, and the complete lack of reality those people live in is maybe not bad but it is startling and makes me uncomfortable. Again, I agree with their right to do it, but I blocked the instance, ykwim.
this one is interesting, but from my experience and understanding, otherkins are completely different and irrelevant to furries, i would probably argue that there is an expected negative overlap. TBF there is probably some overlap, but it’s probably similar to overlap between for example, car guys and minecraft players. Rather than like, car guys and professional racers.
To be honest I dont see anything productive to this insight, you are just talking through your own silly meaningless prejudices where you can’t resist sexualizing the totality of an identity in order to rationalize your disgust for it, nor can you resist casually associating said identity with the potential for violence.
It is a bit like picking your nose in public, no one is really interested in seeing it.
It might be different for others but I’ve been around furries, have had furry friends, and it still on some deep level that I can’t control makes me a bit uncomfortable. Like I do not judge, and I fully support consenting adults doing whatever they want, but if someone in a fur suit sat next to me on a train, I would be a tad bit uneasy. For me, I think it’s the sexualizing animals that gets me. I’m not saying furries do anything bad to real animals, just that the way I view animals is something incompatible with any form of sexualization.
That being said, I fully support furries doing whatever they want as long as it isn’t forced on me. All the furry friends I’ve had over the years have been wonderful and creative people, and have never made me feel uncomfortable.
Also, being a “furry” is remarkably easy. Are you a fan of anthropomorphic animals? Congrats, you’re a furry. It doesn’t require you to wear a fursuit or anything else. That means that if you’re in the fandom of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Sonic the Hedgehog, etc. You. Are. A. Furry.
That means that if you’re in the fandom of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Sonic the Hedgehog, etc. You. Are. A. Furry.
technically, this isn’t exclusively true since most of the time the specific fandom actually supersedes the anthro aspect of it. For example if ur a sonic fandom nerd, you’re a sonic fandom nerd, but you may not have a general interest in anthropomorphic characters more broadly, in which case you wouldn’t be a furry. These things are not directly related.
The more correct definition here would be “a fan of anthropomorphic characters more broadly, specifically those within the furry community, and the furry community itself more broadly” It’s also worth noting that most of the time it’s actually done via self admittance. There are fursuit makers who do not consider themselves to be furries. It’s odd, but it’s how works.
Otherwise we start to define people who drive cars as “car people” and that’s just, wrong.
For example a lot of people have pets, dog/cat whatever, they talk to their pets, that’s literally anthropomorphizing an animal. Or personification, it’s the same shit at the end of the day though. Does that make those people furries? Because they speak to their dog in a language it doesn’t understand? Or apply human concepts to their pets that don’t really exist?
For me at least, I’m uncomfy with like, how close furry’s rejected Disney mascot kink is to a beastiality kink. Not to say they’re even that close! I’m surely oversensitive here! But I think that’s where my overall lack of pure acceptance comes from.
It’s goofy to me that the people out here like “fuck yeah, that fox with anime eyes is sexy.”
I try not to be a hater, but I have trouble with this scene so I let it be. “Consenting adults; none of my business.”
I think the kink and fursuit parts are what most people understand about furries because that’s the most signal boosted and bizarre parts about it. However, furries often have other things that really attach them to it, and the kink is a further expression of that.
For a lot of people, neurodivergence is a core feature. I struggle with speech a lot. I’m learning ASL but few people speak it. The flexibility to communicate in howls, barks and yips on occasion is extremely helpful. The furry community is full of people who just get this and will treat me very normally when I’m nonverbal. The scared kid in me still expects to be hit for disobedience, so it’s incredibly healing.
Some folks who like fursuits like them because they present a barrier and literal mask that helps them feel safe and protected from bad sensory experiences in public. Some attach themselves into a fursona character and find a way to express parts of themselves they couldn’t elsewhere. My sister describes her fursona as a manifestation of her inner child unburdened by abuse, and made the character female years before she worked out she was trans.
When you consider how much kink and trauma go hand in hand, how much furries lean on their identity as a way to feel safe engaging with others, and how much genuine joy people find in their fursona, the kink makes a whole lot more sense. It’s less about being attracted to “rejected Disney mascots” specifically as it is about the comfort and safety a rejected Disney mascot persona can bring to people who need it. For as much as it’s helpful in the outside world, it would in fact be weirder for none of that to come into the bedroom too.
It’s okay to not understand something someone else is super into. The issue comes when you judge them to be lesser than you for it. And when you use them as an object of derision.
There are plenty of people out there who will never understand homosexuality. Even find it disgusting. And if they just kept their mouths shut about it and treated gay people the same as they did anyone else, the world would be a better place.
I know exactly how to feel about this…
Those are some quality fursuits, mfer must be hecking rich
I need to snag a couple of these at MFF, or similar ones. “please be patient with me”, “awkward but friendly”, and one for disabled non-suiters. E: and limited sight, I’m also partially blind yaaaaay.
I mean I’d rather have a partial so I can be like howls and meows all properly, but baby steps, I’m poor af lol.
