When Trump was president, Republicans fought to repeal the health insurance program.
Republican vice presidential candidate JD Vance claimed Tuesday night — in contradiction of history — that his running mate, former President Donald Trump, “salvaged Obamacare,” the health insurance program that Trump tried to kill.
During the vice presidential debate on CBS against Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, Vance, a senator from Ohio, echoed Trump’s own recent revisionism. But the assertion also served to remind voters that Democrats ultimately won the yearslong political fight over expanding access to health insurance: The Republican ticket no longer wants to repeal the 2010 law.
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Didn’t John McCain famously save it by breaking off to vote with Dems against Trumps wishes?
Yup. Plus Trump tried to repeal it on day one through executive order because he doesn’t know how anything works.
Walz pointed out both of these last night.
“in contradiction of history” is just a fancy way of saying that he lied. Call him a fucking liar like he is.
Journalistically, I think “lying” implies willfullness, and a reporter cannot 100% prove that a false statement was made willfully, with knowledge that the statement was false.
What the reporter can do is point out that the statement was false, with evidence that demonstrates that, even including statements to the contrary by the person making the false statement before and after. But you can’t know for sure in the moment a false statement is being made that the person believed it was false as they were making it.
This journalistic concept is part of the reason the couch fucker meme took off. AP (was it AP?) published a story about how “No, JD Vance did not have sex with a couch,” and then retracted it. Why? Because while there’s no evidence that JD Vance did have sex with a couch, and there’s plenty of evidence that JD Vance having sex with a couch was just a joke, there isn’t any proof that JD Vance didn’t have sex with a couch.
And yet Fox News will run a dozen stories on how Walz “lied” about his time in China.
That was bizarre and I have no idea what it was truly about. Seemed personal. On the other hand, just the other week Vance told some lies and brought terrorism to a community because of it. Which one is more important?
Lol, you think Fox “News” is actually news? They’ve successfully argued in court that they’re an entertainment company, so anyone who thinks their name means they have anything more than a tenuous connection to the truth is either dumb as fuck or just not paying any attention.
So the core Faux Lies viewer base.
It was interesting, but not surprising, that he said both that Obamacare was a failure, and that they would protect all the parts of it that people enjoy.
I liked “we don’t need Obamacare because we have legislation protecting people with preexisting conditions”
Yeah, that would be Obamacare.
Obamacare and the ACA is just the Hannah Montana of Republican healthcare policy. They are running on getting rid of the singer but promising to keep the Miley around. I’m high so I’ll stop now
…what you do high they do stone sober. With a lawyer in the room to make sure they are on solid ground.
Trump and the GOP are directly responsible for killing the part of ACA that required people to have insurance in 2017. That is what allowed all the young healthy people to drop their insurance which caused costs to go up for everyone else. It de-socialized it.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Cuts_and_Jobs_Act
That’s sort of true, sort of not. The insurance companies were foaming at the mouth for this. It means they are unchecked in their march towards profit.
This was going to raise the price of medical care regardless of whether healthy people were in it or not. We have an aging, fat, sick society and they require very expensive care.
We have an aging, fat, sick society and they require very expensive care.
This is the exact reason why the mandate existed. Having all the young and healthy people paying into the insurance as well offsets the costs. That being said it would have been far better to have a public insurance run by the government that wasn’t beholden to profit. AKA M4A
I’m 100% for universal health, single payer, or whatever gets health insurance companies out of the game.
But even if healthy people were forced into the system the ACA still makes private insurance unaffordable for regular people. If you don’t have an employee who’s sponsoring it, you’re fucked.
Good. I didn’t need health insurance.
No one needs healthcare insurance, until they get sick or hurt. Do you have some knowledge of immortality and invulnerability the rest of humanity isn’t aware of?
The rest of ACA was fine. Don’t force your shit on me then make me pay for it if I’m not participating. I was poor as hell.
If you were that poor the ACA would pay for your health insurance for you…unless you lived in a state that decided to reject the free money the Federal Government gave states to pay for poor people’s coverage. If thats your case, your issue is with your elected state government.
I can’t quite remember all the details, but since my friend was still living with his parents he had to pay for the “catastrophic” insurance since he was over 26 and didn’t work with a company that offered anything. He might have been unemployed at that point. I think it was only $75/mo or so but I wonder if he just filled out the form wrong.
Obama was right. Once people lived with the ACA, they wouldn’t want to go back. The GOP knows that now, so now they’re going to pretend that they fixed it.
