“Jill Stein is a useful idiot for Russia. After parroting Kremlin talking points and being propped up by bad actors in 2016 she’s at it again,” DNC spokesman Matt Corridoni said in a statement to The Bulwark. “Jill Stein won’t become president, but her spoiler candidacy—that both the GOP and Putin have previously shown interest in—can help decide who wins. A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.”

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P.S. can I just say how bad does it have to be that a Right-Center news source agrees and promotes the DNC?

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That’s the whole point of the bulwark. It’s the official organ of never-trump republicans.

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There’s photos of Shill Stein dining with Putin. How much more evidence do you need?

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She wasn’t even the worst at the table, that “honor” goes to convicted felon Mike Flynn:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Flynn

More on Flynn and his connecting Trump to Russia here:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868/

p.s. Trump’s “National Security Advisor”.

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Lest anyone try to claim Stein isn’t running purely as a spoiler candidate.

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Oh oh but if I mention it to certain folk, that’s “old news” and “why do you only ever bring that image up” and “lol libs sure are grasping at straws”

Fascism and political interference does not have an expiration date.

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Worth bringing the image up because it’s from 2015… 6 months after she announced she was running.

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political interference does not have an expiration date.

Sure as fuck doesn’t, as we are still being impacted by the Clinton administration interfering in 1996 Russian elections that ended up resulting in Putin as President.

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Provide links from the Senate Intelligence Committee investigation showing there was wrong doing with the event. They’ve investigated and found nothing. Implying guilt by association is dishonest and should be labeled misinformation.

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Here’s the problem, legally, private citizens can’t engage in diplomatic actions like this:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/953

“Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”

You would think anyone who just announced their candidacy 6 months before this dinner would know that…

But then you’d also think anyone running for President would also know how many Congressmen there are…

https://www.salon.com/2024/09/12/jill-stein-schooled-on-in-brutal-breakfast-club-interview/

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Still can’t believe Flynn was the fucking head of the DIA

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No, you see they just happened to put her at the same table as Putin and the other scumbags. She had no say in it! And she couldn’t do anything about it! She’s the victim here, don’t ya know!

…This is the common response you see from the Stein cultists when this photo is brought up. And it’s pure horseshit. If she had anywhere near the principles and ethics she claims to have she would have got up and left from that table immediately. But she didn’t. Because she’s a hypocritical con-artist, a charlatan.

Stein plays the morally-upright crusader, waltzing around casting sanctimonious judgements on others. But at the end of the day she’s a far right stooge who is only interested in stroking her own ego and discretely ingratiating herself to tyrants. She can say what she want and has no accountability held against her.

She had done so much damage to the Green movement over the past decade+. She only pops up at election time to try to make life easier for far right movements whose policies are often the antithesis of what she pretend to support.

The Democrats should be doing more on environmental issues and holding Israel accountable for what’s going on in Palestine. But at least they aren’t hiding behind their own self-righteousness to anywhere near the degree that Stein is.

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The system is rigged and you are being play around, how much more evidence do you need?

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World leaders do meet one another, and often shake one another’s hands. Jill Stein is not a world leader.

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Presidents are supposed to meet with other global leaders you Muppet

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That’s Index’s “gotcha” every time someone brings up the dinner photo. He posts these every time as if it’s not normal for world leaders to meet… and Stein is not a world leader.

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The choice to meet with a war criminal, shake hands and laugh is their own.

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i’m glad the “you’re pro-genocide if you vote anything but 3rd party” morons finally shut the fuck up around here

edit: LOL

have you had ANYONE turn around and say " you know what, you’re right!" on lemmy? or ANYWHERE?

gtfo russian cumfarts

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Ahahaha oh no the “office workers” are still all over here, their content usually just gets downvoted into being permanently hidden and they’ve stopped picking fights outside of their own posts.

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Don’t forget there was also a bunch of government-backed troll farms shut down recently

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And yet I’m still here. Weird

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their content usually just gets downvoted into being permanently hidden

At first I read this as something that existed at the post level, too. Man, I sometimes wish something like that existed - posts below a certain rating could just be hidden (like Slashdot, for instance).

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Well, on lemmy you can probably brigade quite easily so that would give the propagandists a weapon too.

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It does kinda, if you browse using the Hot sorting stuff with 0 or less net score typically won’t show up unless you go quite a few pages back.

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Probably doesn’t help that Stein refuses to call Putin a war criminal.

https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-vladimir-putin-war-criminal-1954965

"Hasan later asked Stein why she had labeled Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a war criminal, but not Putin.

“Well, as John F. Kennedy said, we must not negotiate out of fear and we must not fear to negotiate,” she replied. “So, if you want to be an effective world leader, you don’t start by name-calling and hurling epithets.”

“So, how will President Stein negotiate with Israel then if you’ve called Netanyahu a war criminal?” Hasan asked in response.

“Well, because he very clearly is a war criminal,” Stein said, prompting Hasan to ask: “So Putin clearly isn’t a war criminal?”

“Well, we don’t have a decision—put it this way—by the International Criminal Court,” Stein said.

The ICC has issued an arrest warrant for Putin, alleging that he is responsible for war crimes. No such warrant has been issued for Netanyahu, whose war on Gaza has killed more than 40,000 Palestinians. However, the chief prosecutor of the ICC has applied for an arrest warrant for the Israeli prime minister.

“There’s an arrest warrant for Putin and there isn’t an arrest warrant for Netanyahu, so why is Putin not a war criminal, but Netanyahu is?” Hasan asked.

“Yeah. Well, let me say this. We are sponsoring that war. We are sponsoring Netanyahu,” Stein responded. “He is our dog in this fight. That is why we have a responsibility to pull him back.”"

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Fwiw after that whole thing made news she released a press statement that did call him a war criminal

EDIT: citation - https://www.jillstein2024.com/war_criminals_and_diplomacy

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“Hey, Vladimir? I need to actually call you a war criminal now, yeah, I almost got found out. Thanks! I knew you’d understand!”

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Way too little, way too late. Medhi cut her up so surgically I don’t even know if she’s gonna have the stones to resurface four years from now. Hopefully being a Russian asset pays well, Shill is done

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And anyone paying attention realizes she only put out the statement after she got called on it and had time to think about what it meant that she was actively avoiding doing so. This is 100% optics and nothing more.

Her statement is about as believable as a kid with crumbs on their face saying they didn’t eat all the cookies…

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Makes sense, but citation requested.

That being said, she’s so ill informed that she didn’t know how many House Reps there are. Of course she wouldn’t have known about the ICC arrest warrant for Putin until a reporter told her so she could look it up.

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LOL, that just proves his point. I read the transcript, and Stein had every opportunity to clearly and definitively repudiate Putin. Not only did she refuse to do so, she continues to refuse, dishonestly misrepresents being called out on her bad faith as a “misunderstanding,” and doubles down with bullshit "both sides"ism.

In fact, that press release has sealed the deal on convincing me that she’s a deeply unserious piece of shit and a Russian asset.

So congratulations troll farm vatniks, you’ve played yourselves.

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You forgot this part from the beginning

"Mehdi Hasan: Vladimir Putin is a war criminal?

Jill Stein: Yes, we did condemn —"

She called him a war criminal several times in the interview

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Not directly though, that’s why she got roasted. It was a lot of dissembly.

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If anything, if he’s “our dog” as she says, doesn’t that mean he’s just a tool rather than a war criminal?

Why is this interesting? Here’s another point of view, one that’s a bit more consistent. Israel, while not being a member of NATO, has a special relationship with it and is basically a major defacto ally.

If you are pro-(Putin’s) Russia and believe NATO’s actions are war crimes, then it’s no leap at all to consider Israel in the same group. In fact, hurting Israel (the country) then benefits Russia as it weakens NATO (by weakening a close ally of theirs).

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You are pro genocide if you are supporting those funding and providing weapons for genocide

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LOL it took a whole hour

you kids are slacking

and no. voting for harris does NOT make me “pro-genocide,” no matter how much you wish it did.

have fun watching jill stein get a single digit percentage of the vote. if that. but don’t feel like you accomplished something by throwing your vote away, because you didn’t

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Not even gonna try to rationalize it huh.

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Liberals love infantilizing everyone they disagree with. And is a sign of narcissistic personality disorder

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and no. voting for harris does NOT make me “pro-genocide,” no matter how much you wish it did.

Of course not. You being pro-genocide means that you have two candidates to choose from.

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Are you saying “the US is a fully functioning democracy whose actions represent the will of the people”?

I just want to make sure I’m hearing you right, that America is a functioning democracy…

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No, it’s not a fully functioning democracy that does not represent the will of the people. The will of the people are saying they want a ceasefire, they want an end to war. Which falls on deaf ears to politicians. The only thing Democrats or Republicans ever respond to is the threat of money stopping, which was the only thing that kept Biden from running.

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You’re pro genocide if you vote for anyone that has explicitly voted to arm and fund the genocide

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Are you saying “the US is a fully functioning democracy whose actions represent the will of the people”?

I just want to make sure I’m hearing you right, that America is a functioning democracy…

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Where are you getting that from?

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They haven’t, they just get downvoted pretty quickly.

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How does it feel when you rationalize ethnic cleansing? Did you ever imagine you’d be this person?

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Those MAGAs cosplaying as lefties will have an even harder time now that the Uncommitted group have said they cannot support Harris but Donald will be worse. The same as we have all be saying.

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Not just Trump will be worse as some sort of abstract moral statement. Their statement is that Uncommitted voters should actively vote against Donald Trump no matter how inadequate Harris’s statements and commitments have been.

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Of course it’s exactly who I expected to show up and say that lmao. They’re so fucking predictable. It’s hilarious.

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There are other third parties you can vote for

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thanks, i’ll not be throwing my vote away this time. or any time

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lol, where’s dufusbaan?

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hilarious that i know exactly who you’re talking about

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Universalmonk bouta flip a table.

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They’re not wrong, but they could stand to recognize that some of their own policy shortcomings opened the door to her challenge.

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That’s always going to be the case with a first past the post election system. There can only be 2 parties with a chance to win at any one time and both are forced to be big tents. Because they have no chance at winning third parties get more choice on the issues they focus on and more freedom in how they talk about those issues.

We need election reform. We need a voting system that gives more power to minority voices and we need an election system that makes Congress better reflect the actual vote. I like STAR voting and want to move the house to proportional representation. We would most likely still have 2 big tent more or less center parties that will trade the plurality but the big tents would have to work with the minority party representatives to get enough votes to pass legislation. It’s possible that more minority party visibility and them being taken more seriously would lead to a more ideologically diverse Senate and it would almost certainly boost minority party power in state and local elections.

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The whole point is that there is no challenge. It is sabotage funded by Republicans and Putin.

What challenges has she done when not running for POTUS?

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Well, that’s a good point, but Stein and the Green party are going about it the wrong way. Even Stein’s predecessor, Ralph Nader, has stated that they need to spend more time at the grassroots and building up local support, including getting folks elected to local school boards, state legislatures, and the like.

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