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Literally nobody is saying this. You’re full of shit.

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Return2ozma ;)

It’s like the shit-source these days.

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I hate the NPC Wojack meme with an intense passion. It’s such a strawman trap. All it does is reduce the opposition to unthinking robots so they can attacked on their credibility rather than the merits of their actual arguments.

In this case, the media isn’t saying Dick Cheney is a good guy now because he endorsed Harris. They’re saying it’s a surprising stance to take for the former VP of a Republican administration. It would be like having Al Gore come out and endorse Trump for President.

OP is 100% full of shit and more like an NPC than any of these media outlets.

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If you think any media organization gets legitimate traction with level-headed, real reporting, congratulations! Your chip has been properly configured! You can now live life unburdened by critical thought.

They’re all sock puppets for billionaires to sway public opinion.

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They’re all sock puppets for billionaires to sway public opinion.

No! Impossible!

Are you suggesting the Jeff Bezos WaPo, the GE Presents NBC, and the Murdoch Press are mouthpieces for billionaires? I won’t believe it. I can’t believe it. America is the freest, fairest, most educated and rational and ethical country on Earth. How could our Liberal Media be anything except perfectly objective and transparent in all things?

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Nobody literally says everything in Trump or GOP memes either. Semantic debatelords only show up when the meme is negative against Democrats.

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Cheney is not a fascist.
Cheney is not a white supremacist.
Cheney respects the constitution.
Cheney is not a good guy.
Cheney is a ruthless piece of shit.
Cheney is a war criminal.
Cheney shot his friend.

All of the above are true statements.

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Not super sure about the constitution one, but fairly on point.

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Yeah, I’d argue that being a war criminal is kind of against the spirit of almost every constitution.

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Agreed on all fronts except the third, more like:

Cheney realized as VP, he doesn’t have much oversight so doesn’t need to break the constitution.

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I don’t think anyone is saying he’s good. They’re just saying “holy shit, even this this insane guy who is so bad is anti-Trump”

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The thing is it legitimizes them.

This isn’t a new or unique problem.

I think Israel’s government sucks, I say it a lot. Sometimes a Nazi agrees with me. I don’t say “even Nazis hate Israel”.

I tell the Nazi to shut the fuck up, and that were not on the same team.

Before Biden dropped out, sometimes I’d criticize him and a trumper would show up and agree with me. I never said “even trump supporters think Biden is a shitty candidate”.

I told them to fuck off and we weren’t on the same team.

So when Dick Cheney shows up to say Kamala’s right and trump is bad…

I expect Kamala to tell Cheney to fuck off at minimum. Ideally she could actually hold him accountable for some of his war crimes.

I dont want to see everyone talk about how things were better when Republicans were like Dick Cheney. Because shit was fucked up even back before Reagan was in office.

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33 points

Have you actually looked at the polls?

The race is neck and neck.

You don’t get to pick and choose at a time like this.

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Maybe they should be reaching out to working people and not Cheneys?

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So when Dick Cheney shows up to say Kamala’s right and trump is bad…

I expect Kamala to tell Cheney to fuck off at minimum

I wonder if Dems always choke in Presidential races because they have people like you as their chief strategists, where vague concepts of noble virtue and ideological purity supersede pragmatism at the most crucial moment.

I can’t possibly imagine being so privileged that I could get an endorsement from a former Republican VP during an incredibly close race and my response to him would be “fuck off”.

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I wonder if Dems always choke in Presidential races because they have people like you as their chief strategists,

You’d have to be completely and totally ignorant of American politics to think in 2024 this is what the party would do…

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I don’t see it as legitimizing anything. MAGA pundits are even now calling Cheney of all people a RINO. Don’t interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake. If this pushes some Republicans to vote for Harris, wonderful. If it discourages some moderates from voting for Trump by not voting (WHY would they still be voting for him as moderate…but that’s a different topic), then that still helps. She should just not acknowledge his endorsement, let it fall where it will. Any attention is going to hurt someone’s feelings, and there’s already the problem of people on the left who can’t have their perfect utopia with Harris and somehow think her not winning will help their cause.

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Don’t interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake.

Which would be fine and I wouldn’t have made my comment.

That’s not what’s happening, moderate politicians and mainstream media are celebrating a war criminal’s endorsement of Kamala…

So in your hypothetical scenario that’s isn’t based on reality, we’d agree.

But do you agree with me that in real life, we should be ignore Dick Cheney except to talk about how he still needs to be held accountable for war crimes?

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This is a trash analogy because everyone knows Nazis hate Israel, it’s part of their ideology.

A former republican vice president endorsing a democratic president candidate is note worthy because it’s goes faint their ideology.

That you choose to reach for Nazis to make your argument is the clearest Godwin Law I’ve witnessed in a long time.

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This is a trash analogy because everyone knows Nazis hate Israel, it’s part of their ideology.

They don’t though. Nazis love Israel and historically have never opposed the concept, since they agree on the point that Jews should leave Europe.

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4 points

The mental gymnastics are real, careful you don’t hurt yourself.

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3 points

You’re gonna have to try harder 🤡

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I expect Kamala to tell Cheney to fuck off at minimum

Are we talking about the same Kamala Harris who defined John McCain a “war hero”, a “true patriot” and a “conscience of the Senate”?

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He’s evil af but intelligent and informed enough to know that his own personal well-being is better served by perpetuating the current system rather than forcing the nation into some dystopian MAGA authoritarian hell hole.

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Worst thing for Kamala’s campaign was that endorsement IMO

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I don’t think so. The rapidly shrinking slightly-saner right will probably find it pretty convincing.

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Anyone that wasn’t convinced since 2020 is a barely sentient fungal lifeform.

Unfortunately it turns out that describes a lot of people.

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Like a modern self proclaimed centrist. Yeah, okay bro, tell me more.

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That… Is true.

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The DNC is now the party of the neocons. Maybe Trump is so bad it’s “necessary” but arguably in a two party duopoly that’s effectively a sealed system, you’re just swapping voters with the GOP to wind up still relatively 50/50, and I’m skeptical there’s a geographical advantage to upper-crust, legitimately evil former republicans, who don’t care for Trump’s uncouth antics, as presumably most of those voters live in districts that are already blue-ish. You’re literally giving up pro-peace voters in random districts across the country, potentially in tightly contested congressional districts, to run up your VA margin of victory.

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