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I don’t think anyone is saying he’s good. They’re just saying “holy shit, even this this insane guy who is so bad is anti-Trump”

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He’s evil af but intelligent and informed enough to know that his own personal well-being is better served by perpetuating the current system rather than forcing the nation into some dystopian MAGA authoritarian hell hole.

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The thing is it legitimizes them.

This isn’t a new or unique problem.

I think Israel’s government sucks, I say it a lot. Sometimes a Nazi agrees with me. I don’t say “even Nazis hate Israel”.

I tell the Nazi to shut the fuck up, and that were not on the same team.

Before Biden dropped out, sometimes I’d criticize him and a trumper would show up and agree with me. I never said “even trump supporters think Biden is a shitty candidate”.

I told them to fuck off and we weren’t on the same team.

So when Dick Cheney shows up to say Kamala’s right and trump is bad…

I expect Kamala to tell Cheney to fuck off at minimum. Ideally she could actually hold him accountable for some of his war crimes.

I dont want to see everyone talk about how things were better when Republicans were like Dick Cheney. Because shit was fucked up even back before Reagan was in office.

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Have you actually looked at the polls?

The race is neck and neck.

You don’t get to pick and choose at a time like this.

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Maybe they should be reaching out to working people and not Cheneys?

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I don’t see it as legitimizing anything. MAGA pundits are even now calling Cheney of all people a RINO. Don’t interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake. If this pushes some Republicans to vote for Harris, wonderful. If it discourages some moderates from voting for Trump by not voting (WHY would they still be voting for him as moderate…but that’s a different topic), then that still helps. She should just not acknowledge his endorsement, let it fall where it will. Any attention is going to hurt someone’s feelings, and there’s already the problem of people on the left who can’t have their perfect utopia with Harris and somehow think her not winning will help their cause.

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Don’t interrupt an enemy when they are making a mistake.

Which would be fine and I wouldn’t have made my comment.

That’s not what’s happening, moderate politicians and mainstream media are celebrating a war criminal’s endorsement of Kamala…

So in your hypothetical scenario that’s isn’t based on reality, we’d agree.

But do you agree with me that in real life, we should be ignore Dick Cheney except to talk about how he still needs to be held accountable for war crimes?

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The mental gymnastics are real, careful you don’t hurt yourself.

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This is a trash analogy because everyone knows Nazis hate Israel, it’s part of their ideology.

A former republican vice president endorsing a democratic president candidate is note worthy because it’s goes faint their ideology.

That you choose to reach for Nazis to make your argument is the clearest Godwin Law I’ve witnessed in a long time.

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This is a trash analogy because everyone knows Nazis hate Israel, it’s part of their ideology.

They don’t though. Nazis love Israel and historically have never opposed the concept, since they agree on the point that Jews should leave Europe.

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I expect Kamala to tell Cheney to fuck off at minimum

Are we talking about the same Kamala Harris who defined John McCain a “war hero”, a “true patriot” and a “conscience of the Senate”?

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You’re gonna have to try harder 🤡

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So when Dick Cheney shows up to say Kamala’s right and trump is bad…

I expect Kamala to tell Cheney to fuck off at minimum

I wonder if Dems always choke in Presidential races because they have people like you as their chief strategists, where vague concepts of noble virtue and ideological purity supersede pragmatism at the most crucial moment.

I can’t possibly imagine being so privileged that I could get an endorsement from a former Republican VP during an incredibly close race and my response to him would be “fuck off”.

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I wonder if Dems always choke in Presidential races because they have people like you as their chief strategists,

You’d have to be completely and totally ignorant of American politics to think in 2024 this is what the party would do…

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Cheney is not a fascist.
Cheney is not a white supremacist.
Cheney respects the constitution.
Cheney is not a good guy.
Cheney is a ruthless piece of shit.
Cheney is a war criminal.
Cheney shot his friend.

All of the above are true statements.

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Not super sure about the constitution one, but fairly on point.

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Yeah, I’d argue that being a war criminal is kind of against the spirit of almost every constitution.

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Agreed on all fronts except the third, more like:

Cheney realized as VP, he doesn’t have much oversight so doesn’t need to break the constitution.

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47 points

who TF said he was good now, he’s just jumping the ship before it fucking explodes.

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Not even jumping ship, ship left without them.

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All aboard on the ghost ship of cannibal rats

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It’s possible to hate Dick Cheney’s politics but also to agree with him that Trump is an autocrat who attempted a coup, and that’s dangerous.

We also probably agree that a post-coffee morning shit is satisfying.

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People forget conservative politics are deeply personal. Dick Cheney being anti trump has everything to do with Liz Cheney being canceled by MAGA and is largely probably not a principled stance

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Endorsing Harris: +10
Everything else he’s done: -999999

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Missed a few 999999

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Cheney is a demon sent from hell to torment people on earth.

If he’s on the kamala train I’m off it

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So the friend of your enemy is your enemy?

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