I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don’t actually think everyone there is insane. I don’t care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It’s not going to scare me to take this down

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Thank god for hexbear and lemmygrad though. Imagine the effort needed to block them all individually if spread over all the other instances.

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Yeah, it’s actually helpful to have safe spaces for hateful assholes so they can be corralled away.

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Its a safe space for them to be… away from me

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On the other hand, an isolated community can also become a nasty brewing pot, reinforcing harmful behaviors and even intensifying them over time.

I don’t think calling them safe spaces for hateful assholes is accurate, but I understand frustrations with them.

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They still get loose and troll .world while the mods there give them free reign and ban you if you report them for trolling. You can’t call them trolls, but they can call you a troll.

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If you think yogthos isn’t the main account of return2ozma you’re gonna have a bad time.

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fuck that guy.

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Really? Damn that’s crazy.

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Before instance blocking was a thing I blocked individual trolls wheb I saw them and after about the fifth block I didn’t see a lot of hexbear, so it they have a few very loud individuals but instance blocking hexbear really made my browsing a lot more chill

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lemmygrad? Oh, I missed that one.

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Most instances have already blocked lemmygrad. Yours is one of a very few that has not.

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If you’ve heard of Chapo Trap House that’s them. If not, most of those kids/idiots/trolls are the type of terminally online fake leftists that give other leftist a bad image in general. They were so ridiculous Reddit got tired of their shit and banned them a couple years back.

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They were banned when reddit cracked down on any leftist thought, not because they were especially bad from what I saw.

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They were banned around the same time as The Donald because everyone was tired of the shit both groups were doing.

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I do remember that, and I remember them half-assing the Donald by just letting them make a new sub (or overrun conspiracy irrc)

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The_Donald was dead amd had migrated to a non-reddit forum a month before the ban. It was typical “both sides” bullshit from a dude who always uses the kiddy gloves with fascists while throwing the book at any leftists

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They were banned while saying John Brown did nothing wrong and that slaveowners deserve to die.

Sounds pretty cool to me.

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The Donald had largely abandoned the sub well before it was banned though.

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No, The Donald was encouraging political violence and was becoming a legal liability for Reddit to continue hosting. But they needed to ban a major left wing subreddit at the same time to do a “both sides bad” thing and preempt the fascist talking points about social media having a liberal bias.

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Seeing the ban coming, they financed and suffered alpha and beta of the Lemmy platform we all enjoy. Then, they chose to become the most GLBTQ+ friendly destination on the internet.

As it’s always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.

But, perhaps the part I like most is the struggle sessions. The entire community will heavily focus on a current topic, then hash it out with good faith discussion.

Their shit isn’t convenient or comfortable. It’s not easy to understand. And, I fucking love them for it.

edit: Lazy coders need choose a randomized target value and timing or be a moderator to avoid detection by the user. Perceiving is easy when your code is trash. Ask for help from an industrial engineer.

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Their supposed support of LGBTQ+ is all for naught when they openly fawn after Stalin

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Honestly what is with the comrade/them shit they do about? I thought it was ironic like they were making fun of neopronouns or they were the 4chan people who popularised them in the first place

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There’s much to learn from Stalin. But, advocating his authoritarian means is a bannable offense there just as they are in any meritable leftist forum. They tolerate a minority of revolutionaries ideologically leading the lumpen as it’s a historically very well-supoorted position. But, that doesn’t extend to physical force as that’s also a historically very well supported position.

It’s much easier, convenient, and comfortable to demonized them than understand them. They even provided proactive assistance when many were deciding if they should defederate. They voted internally for defederation to defend their community from the medicrity of the masses.

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As it’s always been, they cope with the horrible events with satirical, sarcastic humor. And, in the middle of that will be a well-reasoned, nuanced, and quite serious post.

Oh yes, they are so funny, misunderstood, thoughtful and nuanced thinkers.

F them and f you for defending them.

This ~1800 comment thread about whether lemm.ee should defederate with them is all you need for some eye opening, in case anyone needs that.

https://lemm.ee/post/4543536

Above screenshot is from said thread.

The comrade in it actually suggests that there is a time and place for such rhetoric, it is just not right here, right now. you have to think politically and wait for your moment!

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though, to be fair, kulaks are bad.

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Yes, please read what the .ee admin says about where the bigoted users originate and the actions of the hexbear mods in response. It certainly speaks for itself.

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But, perhaps the part I like most is the struggle sessions. The entire community will heavily focus on a current topic, then hash it out with good faith discussion.

I’ve never seen this - not just from that instance, but literally anywhere on the internet, even back in the forum or bb days. But I’ve been looking for something like that for years, and I’d be interested. Do you know of any specific examples of this happening?

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The best example I’ve experienced online is hexbear’s process to derive forum ruleset with respect to their minority of GLBTQ+. The consensus was that many understood and that those that did not would follow in faith, assuming that they would soon understand. The second best online example was the GME subreddits’ cultural response to initial scaling. The consensus was that each should individually choose and the collective’s purpose was to educate, this strengthening individual wisdom.

But, my guidance would be to first pursue such things in real life. A leftist’s best work is almost always grassroots local.

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Notable struggle sessions:

Pronouns End result: Transphobes outed themselves and were purged)

Veganism End result: Vegans who couldn’t stop stoking the fire and anti-vegans who wouldn’t stop trolling or using indigenous people as a shield were purged, CWs were required for meat, vegans generally chilled out

Stacking rocks End result: White guys using indigenous tribes they aren’t a part of as a shield were heavily mocked)

Outdoor Cats End result: outdoor cats bad

AES countries End result: For each country, there are/have been significant issues, but nearly every western criticism is worthless for understanding them due to being false or lacking the historical context.

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I also haven’t seen this but it seems to make fun of the authoritarian excesses in Mao’s China (struggle session).

The Three Body Problem show features this, leading a character to go mad and wanting to destroy humanity.

The funny thing is that this post is sort of a struggle session, an attempt to build consensus against socialists.

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Yeah they kept being able to back the most ridiculous claims and then suddenly I was like “oh no they were right all along” and got radicalized 🤷

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Coming up with theory in an echo chamber isn’t hard.

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i don’t think they really helped with the financing of lemmy, although their coders did/do make many valuable contributions to lemmy’s code base. out of curiosity, do you have an account on another instance? I’m surprised to see a sympathetic comment like this from an account on an instance that has them defederated

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I don’t think they really helped with the financing

All the computational resources the users tested the code base on must’ve been free.

I’m surprised to see a sympathetic comment like this from an account on an instance that has them defederated

Identity politics from .ml?

If you’re surprised at such small acts of individual praxis, you’d be amazed at what we’ve accomplished in groups.

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Hello, low effort neolib troll. Thanks for the opportunity to continue to speak truth.

There’s a cultural similarity to what 4-chan was prior to the LOIC. But, they’re definitely not tankies. Sincere expressions of authoritarian means are soundly defeated and usually result in permabans. The principle and practice is consistent for MAGA, neolibs, and other authoritarians.

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is everyone in hexbear insane?

Yes.

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All animals are equal… But some more equal than others.

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8 billion stupid monkeys

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Seconded

Source: am stupid monke

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Hexbear is sort of like a village of eldritch abomination worshippers in a Lovecraftian horror story - isolated, insular, entirely wrapped up in their own esoteric rituals and ideas and language, and immediately and collectively hostile to outsiders.

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Wow, this is such an accurate description of so many online communities that have come and gone over the years, nicely done.

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I always joke that right-wing politics is all projection. But here we are with the cult of capital being dismissive to non-believers

Dark Eucharist of the Real God!

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They also both worship Cthu… I mean, Stalin

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It’s not just you

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And increasingly lemmy.ml, sadly

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They’re getting there, but so far it’s only a few users that I’ve noticed.

One guy seems to be following me around to attempt mockery.

They’re very much getting to “everyone who isn’t farther left than me is a right-wing nazi” mentality.

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They aren’t even really left. They are super authoritarian.

I blocked them since they spew Russian and Chinese propaganda points and take revisionist stances on Tianman square and deny the Uyghur Genocide.

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There’s at least one interesting fellow in this very thread sharing extremely predictable opinions.

I thought I was annoying when arguing. Still do, but I found someone worse. Doesn’t make me feel better, because it seems I’m sharing a table with them.

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everyone who isn’t farther left than me is a right-wing nazi

If one’s a strict authoritarian, thats a pretty sensible thing to say 🤷‍♂️

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How are you blocking full instances? I’ve been playing wack-a-mole blocking communities. I’m using Voyager on iOS, if that matters.

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Settings > filters & blocks

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Thanks!

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You go to settings -> filters & blocks

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Thanks!

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Th ability to do so was added a while back.

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That looks like Thunder! You should check out the latest version; it has an improved Block Management page.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone? Really?

I mean the other two are authorian apologist idiot instances but blahaj?

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I can see it, 196 gets a little spicy around critical events

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Something about it rubbed me the wrong way

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