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I’ll just leave this here… :’-)

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And there’s quite a few missing!

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The one on Greenland, for example

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And the surveillance station in the middle of Australia (pine gap)

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7 points

Even the Pentagon doesn’t know where they are!

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57 points

Add to this one another map of past CIA-backed coups and despair.

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Honestly that’s something I never learned about until I was like, 23, 24. Still know bugger all about it and that’s fucked. Do you know any good resources where I can learn about this stuff?

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You could start by reading about the School of the Americas, Operation Condor and Operation Gladio. See how the USA treats its “friends”.

Read about cointelpro and see how it treats its citizens. Some tactics are still in use today.

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There’s a Wikipedia article on US interventions but it misses some afaik.

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Wilson, and to a lesser extent Monroe are the presidents that caused those, with Wilsonian Military Doctrine, and The Monroe Doctrine, specifically so perhaps start there.

This is a good summary of all the horrible shit Wilson did, and how the world might have changed if he hadn’t been president

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For a fun and light read I’d start with Wikipedia entry on the attempts on the life of Fidel Castro.

For chronological read I’d start with Iran then Latin America, Wikipedia as well. Don’t skip the chapter where they associated themselves with drug lords that sent drugs to US as a way to finance anti communist operations in Central America. I think that was Nicaragua.

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Well if you care so much how come you’re not doing anything about it?? We all know what happens when America cares about someone else’s elections…

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119 points

Yeah no. Your choice has global impact. Sadly enough.

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I mean, I follow the presidental race somewhat because it has global impact, but watching the debates is not worth my time, and I’m fairly certain it’s not worth anyone’s time, especially non-americans.

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Plus it’s unlikely to change anyone’s mind. At this point you’re either pro or anti Trump and you’ve had at least eight years to pick your side.

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That whole attitude of picking sides is what got us in this mess to begin with

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12 points

It’s 50% a desire to stay informed and 50% sports entertainment

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0 points

I came here to skip the debate and catch up with the jokes. But seems like the joke is the debate itself

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I will keep repeating this, Biden will be the reason Trump gets reelected. If he loves his country he needs to leave right fucking now. Democrats like him and Clinton are addicted to power. Bernie Sanders could have beaten Trump in both election but the democrats circles of power made sure to get the candidate they wanted. Old fool.

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Sanders wouldn’t stand a chance. Too many moderate Democrats would be terrified of the scary socialist madman.

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“The scary socialist madman” accompanied by the Democratic Party apparatus? A presidential candidate Sanders along with a moderate liberal VP would have gotten both the traditional Democratic vote (as long as the party collaborated with him, rather than giving him the Corbyn treatment, which I don’t trust liberals not to do) and a considerable chunk of the electorate who doesn’t feel represented by either party. The day you guys understand that you don’t have to fight the Republicans in traditional terms, but rather, to change the coordinates of the fight, you’ll force Republicans to choose between evolving or getting buried. But the real problem by this point is whether it is too late.

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At this point, I’m convinced the Democrats are purposely throwing the election.

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Maybe you’re right but too many of us think the opposite. I would much rather a younger more progressive candidate but Joe Biden has a track record of beating Trump. Biden has done a lot of good things in his first term that I’d want to continue. Even where he hasn’t gone nearly far enough or balanced bad with good, it may be necessary to appeal to the undecideds in the middle. Biden is the only one who can overcome the Trump personality cult

If a big complaint is age, how is that a plus for Sanders? I’m sorry but he missed his chance and now is solidly in “too old for this shit” territory

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A track record of beating trump?

Something about the statistical validity of a sample size of one.

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It’s the usual catch - the leader of the losing side doesn’t get the post, but keeps power of his faction.

While if that leader is no longer a leader, their personal power would be less even if the faction wins.

Western Roman Empire had a similar story with Stilicho’s conviction and execution. The empire loses, but those who ate him get some power.

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How about we pick someone who vaguely approaches the average age of an American adult. There’s a ton - Buttigieg, AOC, I dunno even Kamala would be a million times better. Literally anybody under the age of 70. Why is that so hard to do?

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You keep repeating it because a false dichotomy, that you must choose between a D or R, prevents you from accepting that the lesser evil is, in fact, evil. So, you’re stuck on stupid and not asking questions. This should help:

The Democrats already, quite predictably, ignored the outcome of their primary to nominate Clinton. They’re not going to do a fucking thing that doesn’t make a corporate donor money. All of Sanders proposals took from corporations to provide for humans. He never stood a chance of being nominated as a Democrat and he damned well knew it. If we give him the benefit of the doubt then his goal was education. If not, he rallied for Democrats to avoid the rise of a Labor Party during a critical time in history.

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Bernie ain’t winning shit at a national level

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People keep saying Bernie could have won, but he didn’t beat Clinton.

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10 points

Sanders and Clinton didn’t play on a level field.

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Like what? Did she get votes for him thrown out?

People have been saying for years that she had an advantage and so it wasn’t fair, but those advantages seem to ignore that more people voted for her.

He was an independent running as a Democrat, and then claiming it’s unfair when the Democratic party was more aligned with the person who had always been a Democrat.

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Most of this country is centrist, so no unfortunately sanders would have lost to trump.

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lol at thinking Americans are mostly centrists…

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Most Americans I know think they’re centrists, even if they support either major party… I’m an American so I know a few Americans lol

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Lol at thinking Americans lean hard left or right

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4 points

Can you guys just put obama back in? I would unironically say thanks. It would be poetic.

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17 points

Yeah there’s still a few doctors without borders hospitals he hasn’t bombed yet.

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2 points

No. Trust me, this would be amazing but he cannot legally run again :(

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No, there’s an amendment in our consimtituion that says a president can only be in office for two terms total. The only president who evaded this was FDR and he’s still villainized to this day.

Actually. I’m pretty sure hes the reason that amendment got passed.

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Its … horrible how you treat your elderly in closed wards.

I shall avert my gaze.
Didn’t mean to pry, it was just too loud to not notice it.

I’d rather look at our … increasingly hard-right EU politics … wait, that can’t be right, wtf.

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We used to say that conservative politics in the EU would still be considered left in the USA. Well, I‘m not so sure about that anymore.

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Biden’s immigration policy is honestly a wet dream for most right extremists in Europe

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I mean, in previous years we did pass some environmental laws (like banning internal combustion cars), not as much or as strict as I hoped, but change was there. Sure hope that doesn’t all get undone ‘to boost the economy’ (in the USA sense - so help the existing big corps to boost their profits & do nothing for the majority).

Hell, I rally like the vast majority of EU regulations (various directives and delegated acts) that were passed & are being constantly updated (to keep up with the times/trends & tech) over the last 20 years, I think its a rally good balance between protecting the people whilst at the same time working with the market to actually achieve a meaningful & painless change over several years. That’s why we have representatives. The added “bureaucracy” as companies call it is just extra reporting & testing (to confirm compliance with standards). This benefits us all & is of unbelievably marginal cost when you look at the economy, regardless of what lobbyists say.

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The US far right actually made a project of helping the far right in Europe.

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Well I suppose the answer I’d give is that because of how right-wing the US is compared to much of the Western world, it becomes a patient zero for whatever the far-right is cooking up - which inevitably influences far-right groups in other Western countries

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Word.

Putin planted his seed with Trump in his greatest enemy (democracy/America). It quickly caught on & has spread globally.

Hundreds of Billions of dollars in US defense hasn’t done a thing to halt the attacks on democracy Putin has wraught with a few million spent on his troll army.

The man can’t carry out a physical attack for shit, but his cyber attacks have no equal, only willing collaborators (Murdoch et al, the maga army).

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Putin planted his seed with Trump

Please don’t post your fanfics here 🤮🤮

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It’s no fanfic. It’s assessing the enemy. Kind of important to do if you want to beat em.

Don’t be a snowflake. The right is claiming that territory madly.

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America sneezes, the world catches a drone strike or something

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I follow closely what is happening in the US from France because even though we have a very different culture I still think US politics is a preview of what’s to come here.

Right now I consider we are at the step where our media are crumbling and becoming unable to properly inform us. A step that has been reached a couple of years ago in the US in my opinion.

The next step will probably be our own coup attempt in a few years and a steady increase in the division of the country and far right movements.

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I mean Brexit predated the Trump election by 5 months

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