Sorry to rain on the joyful circlejerk, but please remember that truth and justice Kamala came out as solidly in line with Biden’s genocide policy book. Sorry, I like Walz too, but this is not acceptable.
Sorry to rain on your joyful grandstanding, but it’s either Trump or Harris — and Harris & Biden have both expressed FAR more sympathy toward the Gazan people and trying to negotiate a permanent ceasefire than Trump.
… Meanwhile Bibi is trying to do everything he can to get Trump elected, while Trump violated the Logan Act and contacted Bibi directly to NOT take the ceasefire deal.
I’m sure Palestinians really appreciate Biden and Harris’ sympathies as they are misted by the bombs they sent over that were guided by the intelligence they provided.
All the talk about ceasefire negotiations is an intentional distraction. Israel isn’t participating in negotiations as evidenced by the fact that they assassinated the main Hamas guy running negotiations.
Claiming that opposition to Harris’ terrible policy position is somehow supportive of trump is dishonest and misleading. That attitude is a big reason why we keep electing such terrible leaders.
trumps Logan Act violations should be prosecuted, absolutely, just like Biden’s violations of the Leahy Law should be prosecuted.
Hmmm, let’s see… If I’m a Palestinian…
And I see Harris/Biden:
- Trying to negotiate a permanent cease-fire
- Increasingly distancing themselves from the Netanyahu administration
- Establishing aid routes into Gaza
… And I see Trump:
- Saying Israel “needs to finish what they started.”
- Calling Netanyahu to NOT take the Ceasefire deal (similar to how he blocked the Border Patrol endorsed border legislation)
… Then I have to take an educated guess and say that I don’t think Harris or Biden are actually psychopathic narcissists who worship strong-men dictators like Trump does and I have to think that Trump will not care how many of us die… So I’d rather deal with strategic gaming of the electorate to ensure Democrats win in the next 2.5 months as opposed to risking a Trump presidency and having NO support for at least 4 years.
This “inTenTioNAl DiStrActIoN” thing is unfounded and utter speculation. What Netanyahu decides to do does NOT negate what Harris/Biden are trying to do. Be better.
Really? You guys will start with that again? No candidate that can actually be elected (i.e. a Democrat or a Republican) will side with Palestine, that’s the reality you live in, now pick your poison.
Ok, I pick the poison in which I call out the awfulness of genocide and its perpetrators, be they presidents, candidates, constituents, or commenters on forums. Also, who are the “you guys” you are referring to here? Sounds like you are talking about the people outraged by injustice, racism and genocide. Perhaps it’s the people trying to apply moral standards consistently? I know that concept can be annoying when you’re feeling good about an election, but why should I care when the stakes are so high? The dynamic you’re describing is a self-fulfilling prophecy, a lame excuse for allowing depravity, and ultimately the reason why we keep electing terrible leaders.
No, it’s not people trying to apply moral standards consistently, it’s about people thinking that cutting off arms to Israel would save the Gazans when high-end military aid is not actually necessary for an ethnic cleansing of a small land area, simply a luxury. Following the wishes of the BDS movement, at any time since the war began, would not save the Gazans in any way, shape or form when the Israelis can simply resort to even more indiscriminate, inexpensive tactics to accomplish their goals. In actuality, all it would do is remove what little leverage we actually have over there.
Not that I expect peace protestors to understand much about the logistics of warfighting, I am fully aware it’s just about identifying something negative and fighting it as hard as you can. Unfortunately, though, the lack of understanding makes your proposed solutions simply wishful thinking that fails to take Netanyahu’s precarious political position and potential available methods and resources into account. We see this with climate change as well, where we still have no actual viable solutions for emissions in Russia or India, simply because climate experts are not geopolitics experts.
Sooooo the stakes for women, LGBTQ+ and migrants actually living in the USA (you know, the country the elections are for) aren’t high enough but you draw the line at foreign policies and you’ll push people to not vote and therefore open the door to the Republicans (who will support that genocide even more than the Democrats) by insisting that Harris bad?
And yes, you guys, all the people who kept saying you wouldn’t vote because of Biden’s stance on Israel, ignoring all other issues because somehow the death the Republicans will cause in North America if they win count for nothing but the deaths Israel are causing in Palestine count for everything. You’re just part of the Russian division machine to try and get the Republicans in power.
Don’t engage, just block.
Foreign agent trolls or lack-of-critical-thinking-clowns
Neither are worth your time.
They already have. Don’t you think it’s a little weird these “both sides are the same, don’t vote!” trolls are only active right before a presidential election?
but this is not acceptable.
You find that the vast majority of Americans don’t care is unacceptable? Good luck changing this with that attitude.
Abstaining does less than nothing for the actual victims of the genocide in question. You think the dems are going to change their stance on Palestine because a bunch of leftists are withholding their votes? Most of their corporate donors are most likely either pro-Israel or don’t care. They’re going to decide it’s a safer play for them to pivot right to try and scoop up lukewarm centrist dipshits, guaranteed. Things get worse for women, immigrants, LGBT people, and the working class in general but hey! At least your hands are clean!
The way to effect electoral change that may actually have a snowballs chance in hell of helping Palestinians is to support anti-genocide reps in primaries and local elections. Get your city to pass ordinances boycotting Israeli products, accepting Palestinian refugees, and supporting international aid organizations. Even if your good local reps can’t make any of that happen, you’re getting more anti-genocide policy makers in the system who may run for higher offices next cycle.
Leftist organizing has always been from the ground up. If you want an anti-genocide president (which I fucking do too!), then work on creating the infrastructure to produce one instead of stomping your feet and insisting the Overton Window move your way ex nihilo.
Kamala has been pretty consistent on saying that what’s happening in Gaza is absolutely unacceptable and she cannot turn a blind eye to it. It’s the most harsh rhetoric we’ve seen from people in high leadership positions.
The problem is that she then pairs those statements with the exact same rhetoric that Netanyahu and Biden use obfuscate the genocide campaign (“will always defend Israel’s right to defend, yadda yadda yadda”). I appreciate that some of her language is a tiny bit better than Biden, but that just not enough. She has to show some of this ‘leadership’ quality that the DNC keeps bragging about. There must be some policy shift proposed. Otherwise her language is about as meaningless as trump’s empty claims that he’ll end the war in Ukraine as president elect.
It’s a tricky line to balance. The entire Democrat base doesn’t want to say fuck Israel, we’re pulling out (even if I’d like for us to). So far she seems to be balancing quite well however.
There really isn’t anything wrong with Israel going after Hamas. They have that right. The problem is that they’re just bombing blindly and going “did we get them?”, and it creates a situation where those they hurt now have the right to seek revenge against the Israeli government.
Yeah im gonna vote for the party that hasn’t been actively creating laws for the past 15 years that are trying to kill my family and friends.
Keeping an eye on Harris’ stance on the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza, Sanders made sure to bring that up, saying, “I think, in all fairness to the vice president, she’s been the candidate for all of one month. And it’s been a hell of a month. You have to organize the convention, select a vice presidential campaign, get out on the campaign trail. So, they are still working through their policies.”
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The trend is good, but we’re still behind where we need to be. We need to keep:
- Canvassing
- Phone-banking
- Fundraising & Donating
- Talking to Family & Friends
- Combating the trolls across social media platforms so they don’t define the narrative
yes let’s promote DNC propaganda and just ignore how they’ve behaved every other election
Still laughing over Obama’s subtle dick size joke about Trump
It’s at the end of this short YouTube clip when he talks about crowd sizes https://youtu.be/OGMO8Hu4cBw?si=c_VccTIXw5iP-ORx
What’s masterful about this is it can also be claimed that this was just him mocking Trump’s incessant hand gesture thing he does.
