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It can. In theory.

The theoretical part is the “uncorrupt government” you speak of.

The only way to keep a govt “uncorrupt” as you put it is under pain of literal death. And even then its not foolproof. Some will still be tempted.

If you want a govt that will serve the people while being as incorruptible as possible you have to choose politicians by lottery instead of election. They get called, go serve, then go back to the life they had before. Like 4 years of Jury Duty. Political graspers, climbers, those will always trend towards corruption. Like that old addage, anyone actively seeking political office is unfit to serve in that capacity as their motivations are suspect. Power, authority, etc. All that is only intensified in a system as inconceivably corrupt and broken as ours is.

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A bit late to the party

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Socialists don’t hate markets, they hate workers not having any power or democratic choice in how they interact in the market.

Workers owning the means of production just means the workers are doing the same work but they are in ownership of the factory and the profits. They will still sell the products they produce in a marketplace.

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Wtf is an uncorrupt government?

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All types of governance and economic systems are susceptible to despotism.

It takes a constantly educated and involved population to fight it.

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Honestly I believe this to be a way more important issue to discuss than the whole capitalism vs socialism vs communism vs whatever else argument. If your ideas can easily be perverted by corruption then it won’t work.

I have some ideas but I’m just some idiot on the internet. I think you need checks and balances. Have at least two groups with similar power at odds with one another. One example is corporation vs government. But I don’t think just 2 groups is good enough. Ideally you probably want 3 groups at the very least. I know many governments around the world already uses this sort of structure internally (eg different branches of government), but I don’t think these solutions take into account the existence of mega corporations that can act across country borders.

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you mean for example germanys separated power of the legislative, executive and judicative powers? yeah, that works out pretty shit.

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I think you will find any place thats well moderated and cracks down on bigotry and hatespeech will skew left.

Weird how that is, huh?

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I wish it was just “towards the left”.

I’m very much on the left socially and left of center economically, but even I feel like every other comments section on here reads like some insane tankie commune.

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It’s always a weird flavor, too. Like “I’m communist but only if I get all the wealth. Also I hate minorities but love the LGBT.”

For some reason it just makes me think of Dennis on 30 Rock. “Fiscally liberal, socially conservative.”

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I’m communist but only if I get all the wealth. Also I hate minorities but love the LGBT

Where did you see that?

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It’s a bit of hyperbole, but Lemmygrad and Hexbear aren’t far off.

A lot of their users believe that Russia is a communist state, not some crony capitalist society that would make Bezos blush. They also seem to really love Trump for some reason.

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No where. “Centrists” love strawmen.

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