You’ve got to let the police do their jobs, number one. Number two, you have to do a policy of stop and frisk. When you see a guy coming down the street and you can — the police know every one of them. They know their middle name. They know where they live. They know every one of them, the local police, and they’re great.

You got to let them do their job, stop and frisk, and take their gun away. You’ve got to do it. If somebody has because they have all these guns — you know, it’s very interesting, the toughest gun law, the toughest, by far, in the whole United States is in Chicago, and yet it’s the most — it’s —

Let all your Republican 2Aer friends and family know.

393 points
*

Everybody calm down. There’s a reason that the 2Aers won’t get mad about this.

This is as racist of a dog whistle as you can get. Lots of people are aware “stop and frisk” really means “stop and frisk minorities and plant drugs and weapons when you can.”

So it’s perfectly in line with the “law and order” bullshit. Don’t expect a lot of anger about these comments. To the shitheads, these comments are directed at the “right” people. Cops wouldn’t stop and frisk them, they think, because cops know that they’re a law abiding citizen by the color of their skin.

Racists gonna fuckin racist, man. First gun control we ever got in the USA was because white people got freaked out by black people with guns.

permalink
report
reply
98 points

You might be able to chip a few away by calling him a “gun grabber.” They probably won’t vote for Harris, but they won’t vote for Trump either. They might just sit it out.

Chip a few away here and a few away there… that might be all that’s needed.

permalink
report
parent
reply
43 points
*

Gun Grabbin’ Donnie

That’s G… r… a… b… b… i… n… Apostrophe

permalink
report
parent
reply
38 points

Grab em by the pistols

permalink
report
parent
reply
13 points

Grab 'em by the gun. You can do anything.

permalink
report
parent
reply
36 points

Fascists don’t win on facts and logic, they win on affect.

He says one thing about guns, but means something about hurting minorities. His electorate only cares about the second part. Literally anything you could argue about the first part is worse than useless, because through sheer power of denial they’ll revert to affect on this well-practiced talking point (”Trump love guns, Trump hate [insert slur here], Trump just like me"). You can’t win on this battlefield, no matter how objectively and obviously right you are.

That’s why “Trump is weird” is so unbelievably more effective than “Trump is a rapist”, “Trump is a fascist”, “Trump is a criminal” or “Trump is a traitor”. Pointing out his weirdness directly undermines his affect. “We’re not going back” calls back to the constant feeling of dread of his presidency. Ironically when dealing with humans, but especially when dealing with fascists, affect and core values are more important and less malleable than facts.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

I literally just learned the word affect like… 4 hours ago, what the fuck?

permalink
report
parent
reply
20 points

They probably won’t vote for Harris, but they won’t vote for Trump either.

This is actually possible. There’s a “don’t tread on me” type that has been using their yard as a political billboard for years and i just recently noticed that while they’re still anti- our current Democrat governer, they took down their pro-Trump stuff as well. Now there’s some sign about Jill Stein that’s up but seems a lot less flamboyant.

permalink
report
parent
reply
17 points

Gun Grabber Don? You mean the only 21st century American president to sign an unconstitutional gun ban?

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

I think we all agree on the middle path. Keep posting bc every single voter counts. And share relevant expectations with the community who may not be 100% knowledgeable of the nuance.

permalink
report
parent
reply
42 points

Same reason the NRA barely made a peep about Philando Castile. Licensed to carry a gun, dutifully announced that to the officer, and got killed for it. A year later they said that was a shame or something like that and then immediately forgot about it again. White agent of the state good, black gun owner bad. The conservative gun rights movement has always been motivated by racism.

permalink
report
parent
reply
22 points

Conservatism is “there must be outgroups for the law to bind but not protect, and in groups for the law to protect but not bind” manifests again, here.

permalink
report
parent
reply
14 points

To the shitheads, these comments are directed at the “right” people. Cops wouldn’t stop and frisk them, they think, because cops know that they’re a law abiding citizen by the color of their skin.

The joke is that it’s the same damned thing when Eric Adams or Beto ORourke suggests it.

Take the guns from the poors is always the subtext. You never talk about disarming the police or curtailing access to private security.

Republicans just want to be vigilantes. And they’re mad at Democrats when they can’t hunt people in their neighborhood for sport.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

I’ve talked to a fair number of progressives who are perfectly fine allowing firearms ownership based solely on class and wealth. They too, want “gun control” based on class and wealth.

permalink
report
parent
reply
9 points

Yep - “the police know everyone of them”

permalink
report
parent
reply
7 points
*

Indeed. They see all black people as criminals, I’m sure they’re thinking “If we get him on a bullshit charge now, he can’t steal a bicycle to sell for more hoodjuice or whatever it is those rappers sing about.”

Disgraceful.

Newsflash: Dark Skin is not evidence of guilt, but try telling the cops that…

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

Read this comment before the article and thought it surely wouldn’t be as obvious as you’re stating.

Spoiler: with Chicago, it’s usually more obvious.

One day I will finally untangle my sense of obligation to give bigots the benefit of the doubt. Can’t wait but it’s a lot of work and self reflection.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points
4 points

You can embed an image into a comment on Lemmy like so:

![](http://my.image.url/)

Like so:

permalink
report
parent
reply
212 points

They know he means “take guns from black people”. They support that.

permalink
report
reply
22 points

What I came to say. They know precisely what he means and they support it wholeheartedly.

permalink
report
parent
reply
104 points

Republicans: You can never take our guns!

Trump: Take their guns!

Republicans:

permalink
report
reply
44 points

I’m pretty sure the whole “the police know who they are, they know where they live, they know their middle name” bit means not-white-male.
So, it’s a 3-way tug-of-war between gun fanaticism, their reincarnated jesus, and racism

permalink
report
parent
reply
11 points

In my experience, if the police know who you are, where you live, etc, they also have a pretty good idea if you have a gun or not.

permalink
report
parent
reply
9 points

Yeah the frisking is code for police brutality

permalink
report
parent
reply
41 points

Republicans: yes I’m still voting for the face eating leopard party!

permalink
report
parent
reply
38 points

It wouldn’t be the first time. Like when Black Panthers were enjoying their 2nd Amendment rights. All of a sudden Republicans jumped on gun control.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

Wouldn’t even be the first time for trump. He banned bump stocks via executive order after the Vegas shooting.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

Good point. A ruling rolled back while the Democrats are ruling (albeit by the Supreme Court which heavily weights towards Republican).

The NRA must receive its blood sacrifice (and occasional payment from Russia).

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

Funny how a few weeks ago he was asskissing the NRA and gun community

Like anything with him, when the obvious happened now he’ll suddenly change his mind… and probably start saying something about Mexicans and “crooked Biden,” isn’t tough on crime which is why he got shot, etc

permalink
report
parent
reply
74 points

The NRA is awfully quiet all of a sudden…

permalink
report
reply
41 points

They’ll just reshape it to “illegals with guns”

permalink
report
parent
reply
69 points

So what you’re saying is… you’re coming for their guns? Just making sure. OK.

permalink
report
reply
43 points

No, obviously not the guns of real people, just the ones who get stopped and frisked by the police. Y’know… the ones you can tell are evil because they’re… y’know, wink wink nudge nudge “urban”.

permalink
report
parent
reply

News

!news@lemmy.world

Create post

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil

Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.

Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.

Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.

Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.

Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.

No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.

If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.

Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.

The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body

For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

Community stats

  • 15K

    Monthly active users

  • 6.4K

    Posts

  • 108K

    Comments