Biden’s voice was strong and clear, and the crowd was far warmer to him as an outgoing president
The debate was a one-off for Biden, and that’s the way the cookies crumble.
Trump said the Dems were doing post-birth abortions.
Biden had a raspy voice.
Who was destroyed by the media?
Howard Dean said “yeaaahh!” strangely that one time and that was it for him. It doesn’t take much.
Because our media is shit
Biden really was visibly too old. But they’re also pretty good at ginning up issues literally out of nothing when they want to.
The media still haven’t realized that they’re a bunch of highly educated puppies. They write well and can form a compelling story, but at the end of the day they get distracted by, and tend to focus on, any flashy or squeaky object in their periphery.
That’s confusing cause and effect. Howard Dean’s speech was supposed to be a concession speech after losing the only early primary/caucus he was trying to win. He poured in all of his resources in the hopes of winning Iowa, underperformed expectations against a backdrop of dropping in the polls for weeks, and coming in third (with no real prospects for New Hampshire or South Carolina) basically made it impossible for him to have the volunteers, money, or press coverage to survive into the next stage of competing in bigger states with primaries clumped up together.
He showed everyone his plan of winning Iowa or going home, lost Iowa, and then gave some kind of rallying speech as if he had a plan to recover from that loss. He never did, and it wasn’t the scream that killed his campaign. His campaign was dead before the scream happened. It’s just that the scream was a particularly memorable way for a campaign to die.
people didn’t like that scream?
That’s a pretty rad scream.
EEeeYEAH-HyeeuuUH!
There’s a lot of fragile people out there who can’t handle things like rad screams, dijon mustard, or women’s right to self-determination.
Back when the internet was fun, there was a flash game where you could play as the different presidential nominees, and Howard Dean’s special move was the “Dean Scream” where he would scream flipping back and forth from left to right, and all the enemies on screen would fall down. Top tier.
That’s a pretty generous summation of the problems with Biden’s debate performance. It was also hardly a one-off. Every time Biden appears it’s a coin flip for which Biden shows up, which is why he appears so infrequently.
You are absolutely right about how Trump’s bullshit gets largely ignored by the press though.
Remember that Biden has a stutter. It’s a condition that has no cure and can only be managed.
It was hardly a one-off. He was setting off alarm bells left and right beforehand, and the debate was his chance to regain some confidence. And he had a bad night then as well. So yah, he has his good days, but it’s pretty apparent that his good days are getting far between.
This was the right decision, it’s a shame he had to be pretty much forced into it by everyone else that saw it. I blame his handlers, and they should have their asses handed to them for trying to fuck the rest of us by keeping him past his best-before date and giving Trump the presidency.
It blows my mind that “Biden just had a raspy voice!!” isn’t banned as misinformation here. Because it literally is, there is no reasonable way to interpret “we beat Medicare” being yelled over and over as the result of a raspy voice. Absolute memory hole shit.
My favorite bullshit excuse was when they pretended it was jet lag when he hadn’t been on a plane in two weeks.
I was intrigued to find out last night what he meant to say.
“We finally beat Big Pharma.”
That’s a big brag for “we lowered prices on a handful of drugs… for Medicare recipients only.”
The debate was a one-off for Biden
Bullshit.
Biden had a raspy voice.
I really thought we were past the gaslighting that the only thing wrong with Biden was a sore throat. But here we are…
Yeah - let’s not glaze him up too much, or they might try to swap back.
Let him ride off into the sunset. The speech was okay, but I’d still rather have almost anyone else than him as the candidate (probably still not Hill-dawg)… and Kamala isn’t at the bottom of that list of my prefs, so let’s get her in office before we worry about whether or not the 80+ year old current president was awesome at his little send-off / goodbye speech.
Awesome to hear they let AOC speak though. Times really are shifting. You love to see it.
Awesome to hear they let AOC speak though.
OMG! They allowed her to speak! Wow.
Pathetic how happy the left gets over these crumbs being thrown to us.
It’s one event with a month of prep time and a teleprompter. Biden hasn’t lost all faculties, but he can’t be this “on” every day for the next 3 months while also being president. This is carefully curated to his strengths, making him look good, which is great, but it’s no sign he could be president in 4 years.
And it’s not like he delivered flawlessly, he still has at least one part where he seemed to get lost, and the crowd covered for him.
Did have real mixed feelings about the “Thank You Joe” chant. It was kind of wholesome in a way, but I imagine it feels bad to have been pushed out like he was.
I hope he recognizes that he needed to do it. Even in 2020, “making” him run (I put making in quotes because you can’t make a person run for office) felt like elder abuse. That is even more true now.
They needed him to run to stop a Bernie nomination. So… he kind of was “made to”, in that he also agreed that Bernie shouldn’t get the nomination.
Sure.
Though something no one is mentioning is if he felt like he had to stay on to do the right thing, and made a very difficult decision to step down, part of this energy may be a relief we’ve all felt at one point or another.
I just can’t shake the feeling that Biden never really wanted the job. He took it because he was convinced he was needed to oust Trump.
He first ran in the 1970s, he’s definitely wanted to be a president for a long time. I do wonder, though, if Trump was what really pushed him to go.
And then doesn’t try again until 2020? And only after witnessing a lineup that he thought couldn’t win against Trump? Don’t think that lines up.
“I’ve got a lot to do. I intend to get it done. It’s been the honour of my lifetime to serve as your president. I love the job, but I love my country more.”
Attaboy, Joe. Good man.
I think the biggest difference is that it is far easier to recite a static speach he has practiced 100 times than it is to dynamically adapt to a live debate.
I think the difference is that he was recovering from a bad cold during the debate.
That cold must’ve hung on a long time, because people said he was just as bad at other events and meetups he went to. People were hoping it was just a bad night, but apparently it wasn’t.
It’s obvious the guy’s highly motivated, and I’ve seen younger men overwork themselves into an early grave. It’s no big shock that his mind isn’t as sharp as it once was. Also, I’m sure having a stutter just makes that even worse.
Yeah. That theory actually seems plausible but I’m very very happy he had that cold.
They were both bad presidents. Nixon was just outwardly corrupt. JFK was not only a coke head, but also sort of an idiot that allowed the CIA to commit war crimes under his watch in Latin America.
They DO NOT practice these speeches, there’s no time. Rather, they become like actors and are able to just go, pretty much like how news presenters do.
Yeah from a telepromter…
Not that I can really complain since they all use it now, but still. All you gotta do is read while the camera makes it look like you’re looking at the Audience.
Well, yeah, it was a rehearsed speech, read off a teleprompter, with a sympathetic crowd. Much different than a debate, where you have to speak off the cuff, within a time limit, and the crowd (if there is one) pledges to be non-partisan.
And, maybe Biden took Trump’s advice and hopped himself up on pills. I wouldn’t blame him for it, personally.
Exactly.
It’s fucking shameful people want to act like Biden is still mentally capable.
His admin hid his mental decline for years and tried to shove him thru against voters wishes, because they might not get their jobs in the admin if Biden isn’t president.
At least he didn’t offer to do away with voting, call POWs and veterans names, be the adulterer in all 3 marriages, and generally doent understand democracy (much less democratic processes). When you measure the two against eachother, I’d think you might start actually giving a fuck
Are we still fighting this battle? Yeah Trump is a POS, we found that out decades ago. His political campaign started with Mexicans are rapists and grab them by the pussy and went downhill from there. We know. We watched 24 hour coverage of it for 8 years
Can we stop using that to shield other things from criticism? Biden isn’t even the candidate anymore, it’s ok if Biden doesn’t win the election. It’s ok to criticize “the good guys” when they do bad shit.
Biden was always a shit candidate which is why it’s incredibly fortunate that we have a much better one now. Harris isn’t the best possible choice but she’s certainly the best one we’ve actually been given. Trump is almost literally the worst presidential candidate in the history of the US. Trump was the worst president in the history of the US. It might be possible to come up with someone worse than Trump (I’m certainly not going to challenge Republicans to do so they certainly would), but I’m having trouble thinking of one (maybe Elon Musk).
Just because the other option is literally the worst possible option doesn’t mean we have to pretend that the better option is some kind of perfect saint. Everyone needs to go vote for Harris and for literally anyone but Republicans in this upcoming election, but we also aren’t obligated to claim sun shines out of her ass and certainly not act like Biden whose not even running anymore doesn’t have anything wrong with him.
Our country has turned into a gerontocracy and it’s well past the point we should do something about that. We should be pushing for age limits on all elected positions. We have an age of retirement, we should enforce that on political (and maybe judicial) offices as well.
Bruh. If your only standard is “not as bad as republicans are right now”…
And republicans constantly get worse…
Dont you understand how trying our standards to them results in everyone’s standards nosediving and the country burning in the wreckage?
When you measure the two against eachother, I’d think you might start actually giving a fuck
Start thinking more than 2 weeks ahead, and you might be surprised that you agree we should have higher standards than not trump.
I honestly don’t think his problem is his mind. His mind is sharp, but his body is betraying him. When he slips up and can’t find the next word, or mixes up some names, I think it’s just his mouth outpacing his brain. When you give him time to finish his thought, he shows he still understands well.
Note that I’m not trying to minimize this. While I understand where his issues are, I still l think he’s better off quitting and letting new blood take over.
Contrast this with Trump, who can’t stay on topic even with a teleprompter. His insistence that Harris “started out Indian, then turned Black” can be explained by the idea that he can’t tell the difference between Harris and Nikki Haley. I think Trump is much further gone than Biden is. Neither should be running
His mind is sharp,
For his age
But even if Biden is the sharpest 80 year old on the planet, that doesn’t mean he’s competent to be president.
Somewhere is the world’s smartest 4 year old, I wouldn’t want him flying a plane.
Contrast this with Trump,
Crazy thought:
There’s more than one person in America not qualified to be president…
Which is why Biden is no longer the presidential candidate. And trump can’t stop shitting himself in fear from running against anyone besides Biden or Hillary.
I don’t say I should play QB in the NFL because I’m in better shape than trump is. Biden isn’t capable of being an effective president just because trump is less capable.
