Update: I got banned from hexbear and grad lmao

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We should just defederate all the ml domains, it would greatly improve the Lemmy experience.

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Defederate them for having a different political worldview? Defederation is supposed to be for extreme circumstances. There’s not a problem that .ml communities cause of people breaking the rules here. I’m not saying there aren’t toxic people from lemmy.ml or lemmygrad.ml, there definitely are, but there’s nothing to justify defederation.

If instances just start defederating other instances for hosting a lot of communists then the platform’s gonna fall apart lol.

You can block instances if you don’t like them. You don’t have to decide what the best experience for all us other lemm.ee users is.

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Oh wow thats so fucking wrong, lemmy.ml is run by the same admins as lemmygrad, that goes for most mods as well, they are basically red faschism, thats not a different opinion, thats straight up illigal shit in many places and defederation is a great option to filter out illigal stuff. Both .ml instances have regular posts that violate EU laws, especially regarding genocide denial and screaming genocide about things that very obviously are not.

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Look, I don’t know the federation rules of ani.social. But our instance, lemm.ee, has defederated literally only 3 instances. IIRC 2 of them are borderline CSAM instances, and the other one is threads.net. The instance intentionally has lenient rules on this stuff – defederation doesn’t happen unless there’s a massive issue of rule-breaking in lemm.ee caused by the other instance (e.g. spam/brigading) which can’t be resolved with diplomacy between admins. Hence defederation being considered the last resort.

Also I’m not so sure about the claim that denying the Uyghur genocide and saying they think certain other things are genocide (don’t know what you’re referring to here though) is illegal in the EU.

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It’s not about an ideology. It’s that they make it their identity. If someone founded a server and community for lemmy.fascists I wouldn’t blame a lot of people for not wanting to Federate with it as well.

While they like to talk to talk. They’ll do anything but walk the walk. Ml governments have been some of the most brutal and repressive in existence. And this is not a defense of anyone else. just a critique of them. There’s plenty of criticism to go around. However Leninist are particularly hypocritical, bad faith, and specifically not worth engaging with when it bleeds over into every other discussion.

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I completely get the stance you have. I just can’t agree with the view that the instances are as bad as fascist instances. I mean some of the communities there definitely express heinous views don’t get me wrong, but they’re a leftist instance with many different types of leftism. There’s the extremist “tankie” communities (one might call them) with all the Russian and North Korean apologia (yes, internet MLs think North Korea is free and democratic), then there’s most of the rest of the instance with well-adjusted but very leftist views. This goes for .ml and hexbear but, I haven’t seen much of anything other than authoritarian communism on lemmygrad so I can’t say anything positive about that.

I think most instances have their extremely problematic areas that those admins don’t see as problems, and we have to weigh whether those problems are serious enough to cause major problems for lemm.ee. Seemingly in our admins’ opinions, and my opinion, hexbear and .ml are easily dealt with by just blocking them. I have seen a ton of cryptofascists and actual pedophiles from some other specific large instances (cough .world), and while I certainly put some blame on the instance admins for catering towards people with those views somewhat, I don’t want to defederate from them. There’s tons of good reason to federate with .world, and tons of good reason to federate with .ml, and with hexbear. They all contribute a lot of non-political stuff to my feed. Hexbear has probably the best trans communities along with blahaj.zone, probably like 1/3 of the posts in my feed are from .ml plus .world.

IMO, since there are a lot of instances that defederate those instances already, the classic use of the Fediverse is to have your account on one of those instances. Or to block the instance if you don’t want to go that far. I go on lemm.ee specifically so I can see all the fediverse has to offer without having to change between a bunch of different accounts because of defederation. I don’t want the LGBT and leftist communities I participate in to be blocked because a bunch of guys in the instance have really bad opinions. Unless they’re spreading abuse content or something, I’d probably rather be able to see the instance.

Sorry for the wall of text, but defederation is an important topic that affects everyone on the site, I think it should have a lot of elaboration.

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Now make this argument in their spaces - see how that goes for you.

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My experience on lemmy is vastly improved after blocking lemmygrad, lemmy.ml, hexbear, beehaw, and pawb. Wiped out vast swathes of degenerates from my feed.

Sure, occasionally poking them with a stick can be funny, but if you don’t like your scrolling punctuated with muttering “oh fuck off” under your breath every few minutes – it’s nice.

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Beehaw? I’ve had nothing but good interactions with them, personally.

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I can’t remember why I blocked them exactly, to be honest, but I remember thinking they were almost as annoying as hexbear users, and I can’t be bothered to go have a second look now to see exactly why. Clearly, I was annoyed with them enough to block them, as the ones I listed above are the only instances I have blocked save for lemmynsfw (which is just because I don’t care for porn in my feed).

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They’re alright now, but they used to be pretty bad. No negativity allowed whatsoever.

I remember there was some sort of thread asking disabled people if they like being disabled…

and the people who said no were banned for being negative lol

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I did say something controversial (apparently) on grad and simply asked what I said wrong and having an open mind showed that they can interact normally… But Hexbear is just straight up poisoning me lol

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Beehaw? The most adorable place in the lemmy space IMO!

If you don’t like them fine, but please reconsider lumpung them together with the crazy fascist ones please 😊

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??? (Mostly) Nothing wrong with Beehaw or pawb.social, most are good people around those parts

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now I might not remember why I blocked beehaw but I know damn well the animal fetishists are not “good people”, thank you

and just from your instance name… yeah that’s another one for the list

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I don’t know, yiffit folks seem very nice. Not always safe for work, though.

I think my instance already bans beehaw, though. I forget why, unfortunately.

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Animal fetishists?! You mean… furries?

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Gladly most of them blocked us(ani.social), i only blocked Lemmy.world and Midwest.social one for spam and one because seahorse is a powertripping asshole.

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Wow, your reasoning is uh… well it sure is interesting… can’t say I see where you’re coming from. lemmy.world is like the most conservative instance I can think of

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I can screenshot your comments as well, doesn’t make them more or less correct. I stand by what i said, lemmy.world is full of people i would call woke, or rather fall into the woke spectrum of my country.

This is objectively correct and downvotes won’t change that.

And when LW is the most conservative instance you can think of, i think your moral compass is upside down. I did see some “conservatives” (nazis) on LW but the majority belongs to the new left movement, especially regarding their antisemitism.

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idunno if criticism of Israel can automatically be antisemitic when they’re a diverse country of different ethnicities and religions.

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What’s your beef with seahorse?

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I recently added midwest.social to my list.

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You blocked lemmy.ml? Why

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Beehaw and pawb are peculiar blocks but .ml can be a bit trying. Many users have been swept into, what they believe to be, militant communist zeitgeist. Their opinions exist within an echo-chamber surreptitiously safeguarded by their extremely banhappy admins. Mind that it would be acceptable if they were to openly offer their rule list, including “do not criticize communism, communists, communist countries, China, Russia, or the war in Ukraine” but they refuse to do so given how unpopular and weird that would be if it were visible to their users. If you care to verify, post a picture of tank man or suggest that Russia should leave Ukraine in one of their communities and enjoy your two week vacation from .ml.

Users range from confused and corralled to militant and chronically angry and many don’t understand why. Frankly, most .ml users are fine but their communities are breeding grounds for frustration, delusions, and misinformation. The prime example of admin sanctioned crazy goes by the name of yogthos if you, once again, wish to verify.

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I guess I understand, but I dig through all the shit to bring my starving people fresh maymay each day anyway.

Its not much, but I do it for those ungrateful bastards just the same.

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I’ve never been able to figure out the basic ideas behind their opinions. It’s something like US conservatives, where it’s something stupider than you can even guess at, but less predictable.

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I’ve seen some downright insane takes on how what the Chinese are doing to the Uighurs is not as bad as it seems.

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It sure is odd how hexbear loves the absolute fuck out of Russia and China.

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it’s very simple.

us bad.

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yeah by the lemmy devs

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Understand that some or most of the key posters there are literally pawns of Russian or Chinese intelligence. Troll farms, wumao, what have you. Whether they are literally government employees or contracted through a third party, their purpose is to astroturf positive optics of their employer and negative optics of the US/the West as a whole. A more sinister interpretation, they are trying to destabilize the West by doing things like trashing Biden, now Harris, hoping to secure a chaotic and inwardly destructive Trump presidency.

Anything they say is to service these goals, anything they believe is mutable to these goals, and nothing they argue is in good faith.

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But doesnt china block hexbear?

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For others but their info opsec is uninhibited. The crux of authoritarians is “rules for the but not for me”.

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Sure, they don’t want themselves to be destabilized by this nonsense.

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I don’t buy that at all. Lemmy is far too small for foreign agents to be posting propaganda. Why would they try to convince people who don’t need convincing?

Tankies already suckle foreign propaganda, ain’t no need to directly influence them.

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It does not take much effort to throw some 3rd party troll farm a few dimes a post.

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Yu’re pretty much outlining the problem. Yes, the people on hexbear and ‘omg I’m so leftist’ on the rest of lemmy strongly support Russia and China, who are not “America’s designated enemy countries” simply because Americans unilaterally claimed it or something, but are geopolitical and military rivals who straight up say they oppose the US. There’s nothing politically special about either country that makes them worthy of leftist support other than hatred of America, yes. It’s a pretty pathetic concept to base your political views on since it’s not even remotely consistent. These bold intellectual luminaries should move to Russia if they think it’s so great (that is, assuming they don’t already live there). Most likely they live cushy lives in Western Europe while whining about how great the CCCP is.

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I’ve been there, but I mostly just do it anyway. Fuck it, I said what I said. Half the time you don’t even get anything all that cutting, it’s just png salad. Every now and then, you’ll get a coherent response that isn’t a death threat, and those end up being good reads more often than not.

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Yeah I don’t think much of it either… They just take offense to something doesn’t even apply to them lol

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Eh, more often than not their longer posts are just “actually Stalin/Putin/Mao/Kim dynasty/Trump good because <5 page essay>”

Edit: also the classic “comparing Stalin to Hitler is a form of Holocaust denial” and in the same breath calling everyone not in their vatnik bubble a nazi or fascist lmao

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And of course, if you don’t address every single point in that 5 page essay, along with doing all of their required reading, then you’re clearly acting in bad faith and a shitlib and are now going to be dogpiled by 27 other Hexbear users.

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“If you do not take tankie.blogspot as a serious source then you are WRONG AND I WIN. I WIN! I WIN! I WIN!”

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Bro I had this commie from lemmy.ml post a meme advertising for how great communism was. And I told him how the state was authoritarian and basically didn’t care much about human rights and the millions of people starving to death. I got wall of text and he got upset when I used wikipedia as a source. I’m sure if I used some news outlet he’d just say that’s western propaganda so I ended up blocking the guy and later the instance.

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Apologia is not allowed. Continue, and you’ll be banned.

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Ah, I see you said something controversial, like “Theocracy bad” or “Imperialist capitalist state bad”. The tankies don’t like those positions for some reason.

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Bruh I poked the hexbear once when a dude was arguing over exactly how to classify the Uyiger genocide. Something about how “it’s not a genocide, but just an ethnic cleansing” they really didn’t like when I pointed out just how weird of an argument that is. Fascists usually short circuit pretty fast under redicule

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it’s not a genocide, but just an ethnic cleansing

Those are synonyms, FFS. 🤦‍♂️

Dude needs to crack open a dictionary or a thesaurus.

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It’s only a genocide if it comes from the state of Germany. Everything else is just sparkling ethnic cleansing. /S

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oh you spoke to the developers too? haha

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I had one argue “the Soviet space program did amazing things without the benefits of imperialism”, which is a statement I can only ridicule. Then, to prove how not imperialist the Soviet Union was, he proceeded to explain how much imperialism the United States did. Yes, I’m quite aware of how much imperialism the United States did. That’s not the issue here.

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I originally joined Lemmy with a lemmy.ml account by mistake. I was arguing with a brainlet who told me the Soviets could not possibly have been bad because they fought the Nazis. When I asked what that meant regarding apartheid USA I got banned from .ml.

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If you simply choose to embrace the same euphemism for genocide as them and also pretend that having a euphemism excuses the genocide, then you could get along.

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All I did was point out how their meme responses were childish and cringy.

Banned.

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