Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC), one of the world’s largest advanced computer chip manufacturers, continues finding its efforts to get its Arizona facility up and running to be more difficult than it anticipated. The chip maker’s 5nm wafer fab was supposed to go online in 2024 but has faced numerous setbacks and now isn’t expected to begin production until 2025. The trouble the semiconductor has been facing boils down to a key difference between Taiwan and the U.S.: workplace culture. A New York Times report highlights the continuing struggle.

One big problem is that TSMC has been trying to do things the Taiwanese way, even in the U.S. In Taiwan, TSMC is known for extremely rigorous working conditions, including 12-hour work days that extend into the weekends and calling employees into work in the middle of the night for emergencies. TSMC managers in Taiwan are also known to use harsh treatment and threaten workers with being fired for relatively minor failures.

TSMC quickly learned that such practices won’t work in the U.S. Recent reports indicated that the company’s labor force in Arizona is leaving the new plant over these perceived abuses, and TSMC is struggling to fill those vacancies. TSMC is already heavily dependent on employees brought over from Taiwan, with almost half of its current 2,200 employees in Phoenix coming over as Taiwanese transplants.

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Happy workers are hard workers, treat them like shit and they’ll walk right out the door.

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Correct! Well unless, they’re starving and need to feed their families.

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Aren’t the machines TSMC uses made in the Netherlands? They’re the only ones who can get down to that size, and they do it working 36 hours a week…

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My brother worked for such a Dutch company (ASM) and often got sent overseas to supervise the setting up of the production lines with these machines.

He mentioned when he’d get sent to Asia, the workers would make sure to get it done over a weekend, while implementing the same setup would take 2 to 3 weeks in the US. In part that was due to the working conditions mentioned, but also simple lack of planning in case of the latter (things would grind down to a haalt because certain changes would need to be made, and the person responsible for the decision wouldn’t respond for hours or days, etc).

Side note: while 36 hour work weeks are common in the Netherlands, 40 hours is still the norm in my experience.

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A large chunk of ASMLs workforce is in the US actually.

ETA: about half their workforce is in Europe

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It can’t be just that. The cultural difference is real in the sense that there is in Asia in general more obedience or reverence or discipline or selflessness or whatever you call it, that you simply don’t find at scale in western civilisations. Whether it’s good or bad I don’t judge

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Well, it’s bad from a western POV.

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It’s doubly bad because Asian countries are significantly more productive due to extremely long working hours.

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Funny thing is, TSMC in Taiwan is considered a premium employer. It offers much better pay and parks than other companies.

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Parks?

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Reminds me of the Netflix show “American Factory” about a Chinese factory opening in the US.

Quite a fascinating clash of cultures.

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Which reminded me of an 80s movie called Gung Ho about a Japanese company that bought an American automobile manufacturer and the ensuing culture clash.

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6 points

All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.

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So say we all.

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I remember watching a documentary a few years ago where this exact situation happened. Chinese company buys American company, tries to establish their work culture and it just doesn’t work.

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It’s the same the world over. I’ve worked for years for a western company which has got a large part of their business in Asia and China.

You try taking our “western ways” of leadership to China and see how well it fares; what I would consider “leaving space for a leader to operate and feel accountable” is seen as “my leader has no fucking clue what he is doing; he never tells me what he wants me to do”.

Culture eats everything for breakfast. As a western leader in China you have to act like a controlling maniac (in my cultural frame) to be seen as an effective leader in China.

And it goes both ways. My brother reports to a Chinese manager transplanted to the west and she “desperately wants to micromanage everything” according to the western team.

We are all trying our best.

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Probably American Factory from 2019. Definitely a recommended watch for anyone unfamiliar with the topic.

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Yep that’s probably the one. Super depressing, especially all the anti-union tactics.

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Went back to see the trailer and yeah, that’s the one.

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Really? Nobody at TSMC thought to google “biggest mistake companies make when opening US plants”? Because this has all happened before

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Because this has all happened before

Humans generally don’t consider this.

Specifically East Asian managers, I suppose, think they are the ones who’ll finally do it right and make the serfs grow rice by the schedule and without complaints, and those previous attempts were done by some failures and discards who don’t know how to hammer down nails that go up and so on.

(Not racist, just joking)

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Oh, I think I saw this movie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gung_Ho_(film)

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