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Walz went from around 20% at the start of the day, to over 50% over the course of the day on polymarket.

Walz makes more sense than Shapiro does for winning the election.

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Harris is a Democrat, and Shapiro is a very tempting unforced error. Defeat is right there in the very jaws of victory, and all Harris has to do is reach down and seize it.

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Look, I’ve trained myself to not do what I’m about to do. I’ve sought professional help to stop me from typing exactly what I’m about to type. I’ve lost fingers to this mousetrap.

I really think Harris might be different.

She’s shown better political instinct than I could ever have hoped. She is like, actually working the opportunity, and frankly, seems to be good at it. Overcooked pasta was going to poll better than Biden. But it really seems like Harris understands that she needs to do better with specific groups, and progressives and Muslims, the undecided vote, is that group. PA and “never Trump” Republicans might just have to come along on this ride. Democratic politicians and party managers have spent their entire modern political history wishing they had Republicans for voters. It might be she recognizes what she needs to do to win.

She might be able to win with Shapiro, but it comes real fucking close and its a big fuck you to a lot of people, who specifically withheld their votes because of the US policy on Israel Gaza.

If she goes Walz, all the fucking blue-maga/ Biden bullshit artists here who sandbagged, like they know shit and were giving us, and people like @return2ozma@lemmy.world grief can suck our collective dicks. If it wasn’t for a very small, but very vocal cohort of people CONTINUOUSLY ringing the alarm bell, we would be facing an absolute fucking blow-out in November. The Democrats deserve all the fucking criticism they earn, and if you have a problem with that, fuck off and go be a republican.

But maybe, just fucking maybe, Harris is different.

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Maybe she could take a hard right and pick a Clinton?

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If she wanted to demoralize progressives and energize republicans, sure.

Fuck. She’s picking a Clinton.

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Representative Kathy Manning […] told Axios in a statement that […] his opinions on Israel are “in line with the position of the Biden-Harris Administration.”

Which is not good. The position of the Biden administration is a bad position and we were happy to leave behind with Harris. Branding aside, she wasn’t making policy for the administration and has already been less blindly supportive. Shapiro bringing us right back to where we were before is one of his major downsides.

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Not only that, but the implications for the future. It puts him in the potential rising star category and makes him a contender for a future election - which puts us in a terrible position for that election. I’d love Kelly and I’d be okay with Walz.

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The circular firing squad arrives, right on cue.

edit: What’s the over/under on the time it takes to get to “Genocide Tim”?

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People just really dislike genocide it seems. It’s almost like they’d rather vote for people who don’t support it. The real question is why you apparently have such a problem with that?

Harris seems better on this and the party is basically united, so why fuck it up now? The fact that you jump to blame voters is embarrassing

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I’ll take “more reductive absolutism” for 100, Alex.

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Genocide is something that should be reductively absolute.

Why do you think it shouldn’t be?

If you support genocide, that should be something you are saddled with for the rest of your life.

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I’ll take “more apologetics the abhorrent” for 100, Alex.

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Yeah, lefties just hate how Shapiro called Netanyahu “a dangerous and destructive force” and “one of the worst leaders of all time.”

This is all just attacks from the people who can’t attack Biden anymore but know they’d look bad saying Kamala isn’t left enough. They prop us Walz because they know he won’t get picked, even though he’s been just as bad as Shapiro on Gaza. Shapiro has been explicit when he’s said Netanyahu is an obstacle to peace, something Walz has not said afaik.

Make no mistake: there’s a reason the person who posted this is known for spamming anti-Biden content.

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And yet…

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And yet.

Who was wrong about Walz.

Why do you think you were wrong?

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What was I wrong about? Shapiro was the frontrunner.

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You were fine until the end, Biden is not an active participant in Genocide. Removed for misinformation.

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You’re wrong. He’s been providing weapons and funding used to commit the genocide, sometimes even doing so without Congress.

To claim that providing such invaluable resources via his own decisions isn’t participation is naive at best, disingenously excusing the crucial US role as inconsequential at worst.

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No other potential nominee has been as bad as Shapiro on Gaza. There’s a specific complaint about how he’s worse right there in the article.

“[He] was unique among the top VP picks in his willingness to deploy the National Guard on peaceful protestors. He even went as far as to compare peaceful university protestors to KKK ralliers.”

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Not that I’m agreeing with OP or the “lefties”, but if that’s why you think they’re talking about it you’re missing a lot. It’s just not that simple, and putting it into terms like that certainly isn’t going to get people to think the same way as you.

Again, not trying to start a shit slinging match. I honestly will vote for Kamala either way, because that’s who my vote is for.

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Preemptively labeling him “Genocide Josh” is no less reductive or divisive. Them putting it in terms like that isn’t going to get people to think the same way as them. Yet here we are, with them being given a giant megaphone and the party having to cater to their self-defeating absolutism.

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I agree. Which is why Jeff said what they said. But doing what they’re doing because they did it first probably won’t help either side.

Once again, I am not taking a side or trying to sling shit. It’s not going to matter for me either way. I’m still voting for blue no matter who.

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I don’t love that he volunteered for the IDF, but I can also acknowledge that I’m a different person than I was 20+ years ago.

I’d prefer Kelly, personally.

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I have the luxury of not growing up influenced by shitty adults, so maybe it’s easy to cast judgement, but his college statement was pretty seriously racist. And it wasn’t just quietly racist, but actively sending it in to the opinion section to have it broadcast to everyone at his school. I’m willing to accept that people can grow out of racism, but I’d find it pretty reasonable for the targets of that racism to strongly object to someone who went out of their way to write a racist opinion piece in college. And like, we could just choose someone without that stain.

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He did a school project on a Kibutz doing something there. It happened to be facilitated by the IDF but I believe was arranged through his synagogue

Kelly is no better on Gaza policy

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I didn’t say why I’d prefer Kelly.

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When Biden dropped out, I asked r2o in a number of their threads if they were going to cool it with the source-agnostic concern troll spamming. Never got an answer. It was pretty obvious where this was going.

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“anything critical of Democrats is trolling!”

Yeah, no. I even said I’d still post critical news articles as well as positive news about Biden/Harris/Dems.

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They’re lost.

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