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Anti-semitism used to mean “hatred of Jews”. Now it means “daring to question Israel’s murderous leaders”.

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Also being anti-Zionist or anti-Israel doesn’t mean being anti-Jews. Those are two distinct things. One, being Jew doesn’t being being Zionish, second, being Israeli doesn’t mean being Jewish.

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But the leaders of Israel would love us all to conflate the two, and always encourage it.

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And a good portion of the community is enforcing that definition. I’m not sure they realize the extent to which that will open up a can of worms. For more than a decade Zionism was distinctly considered an extremist ideology that should not in Amy way be confused with Juedaism. It’s like saying Opus Dei represents the catholic people. It’s just a terrible propaganda move on so many levels.

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It’s amazing that people question being an anti-zionist. It’s a straight-up fascist ideal. That should be the default setting of human beings.

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It’s basically a giant Venn diagram. You can be one of these things, you can be a combination of them, you can be all three of them, and you can be none of them.

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It used to mean negativity toward people/nations of Semetic languages. The morpheme ‘semite’ is outdated and no longer used for that group of languages either. All in all, it’s weird the word is still used and the context it’s used in is even weirder.

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When antisemitism takes root, it is common for many to be in denial of antisemitism.

Also common to create a subset of Jews that it’s acceptable to hate to so that those that wouldn’t normally engage in it to be more tolerant of it. In the past it was made acceptable (by you know who!) to hate “Cosmopolitan Jews” so people would tend to look the other way on antisemitism.

Today it has been made to be acceptable to hate “Zionist Jews.” And now people that hate “Zionist Jews” are denying that antisemitism exists.

We’ve seen a marked increase in attacks on synagogues and Jewish owned businesses.

History doesn’t repeat itself, but it certainly does rhyme.

It never hurts to take some time to do some introspection on the feelings you have towards another ethnic and/or religious group.

Even if you don’t care for Jews at all and only care about Palestinians, consider how unlikely a movement will be if it’s considered to be antisemitic. Denying antisemitism instead of denouncing it isn’t really helping anyone.

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Real antisemitism obviously exists, but most of what Israel is currently calling “antisemitism” is just “criticism of the current government of the nation of Israel”.

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Are Israeli athletes government officials now? Being against Israeli athletes is not the same thing as being against the actions of the Israeli government.

What is this guy trying to accomplish by saying they aren’t welcome in France? They are there and he’s saying “they aren’t welcome here.” What is his goal?

Are you aware of what happened in the 1972 Munich Olympics?

Dude is edging on stochastic terrorism, but sure, he’s the “real victim” because someone criticizes his remarks.

Can leftists even hear themselves when they talk about Jews? Completely indistinguishable from certain other political groups. Probably how “National Socialism” became a thing. An unholy alliance formed over a common hatred.

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10 points

I don’t like genocidaires.

Never again actually meant something for me.

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Outrage is to support Lab Rat experiments on a human scale. -_-

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They’re violating the Olympic truce.

They banned Russia for it. Why not Israel?

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5 points

Perhaps it is not considered a war?

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It’s a special ethnic adjustment operation.

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lol

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I mean maybe not technically war but fuck it feels like committing genocide is worse than a war.

But not like Olympics Committee actually cares about anything other than getting publicity

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Obviously, because being the target of a genocide 80 years ago gives you a free pass to do whatever you want forever. Russia’s problem is that they’ve never been hit with a genocide themselves, so they don’t get a free pass. /S

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You know, all things aside, it’s kinda sad people don’t even remember anymore that the Nazis weren’t just after Jews.

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It’s funny that, if it was a numeric question, more Russians died in WW2 than Jews.

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Because there are still a lot of genocidal apologists that influence political opinion. Especially in the US.

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Russia is banned because of doping

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No, the current ban is because they invaded Ukraine during the Olympic truce. The doping ban was on specific athletes I believe.

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That’s because France and Germany have the largest Muslim populations in Europe. Turns out, they don’t like their fellow man being murdered indiscriminately.

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'* fellow muslim

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Fellow – sharing a particular activity, quality, or condition with someone or something.

So yeah - that part was covered. Also “man” in this context is short for Human, not man as in male.

Reading comprehension for the win!

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‘fellow man’ is normally used to mean any other human, not only those with certain traits

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Substitute that with human then if it harms your sensibilities

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Or with Martians? The point is they mostly care about this particular conflict is because it’s muslims that are getting slaughtered

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Or simply because genocide bad ? I’m not Muslim but would clearly welcome some sanctions

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Didn’t you know? Your “fellow man” is the same religion &/or ethnicity as you (not your exact gender. That would be crazy talk). It’s impossible to view yourself as a global citizen, the entire human species as your fellow man, all life on Earth as your relatives, or all matter in the universe “same same, but different” forms of energy.

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Tbh we have a large Muslim population in Germany but we don’t miss out on any opportunity to shit on them in any European country with large Muslim migrant population. We don’t really treat them as equals in a sense that their voices are usually ignored and they are being patronized as you could see with issues like female athletes from France not being allowed to use their right of religious freedom (hijab ban).

I’m surprised that there come such clear words from France and I hope they stick to this.

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There are quite large protests going on in Israel at the moment because a bunch of Israelis don’t want Netanyahu and his cronies. What percentage of the population that is, I dunno, but IMO it’s not negligible. Banning Israel from the games would be quite symbolic though, so I’m not sure where exactly I stand on the issue.

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Think about it this way, would you be cool with apartheid South Africa? Or Nazi Germany? I don’t know if they played in the games. But with hindsight I’m pretty sure, or at least hope, that most of us would answer with an emphatic NO. History will not look kindly on Israel. People say this issue is ‘complicated’. The only reason it’s complicated is because there are people trying to find common middle ground with genocide advocates, and of course it’s going to be complicated, because finding common ground with a genocidal ideology when you are a moral person is fucking impossible.

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Nazi Germany hosted the games. But apartheid south Africa was not invited

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10 points

This made me laugh. Reality satirises itself

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Israeli athletes could be made to compete under a neutral designation similar to Russian athletes.

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Yeah, I guess that’s a good solution. Then they aren’t barred from participation after all their training and Israel doesn’t get recognition. It gets my vote, even if it’s useless.

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Why should we be worried about the feelings of representatives of countries that are actively engaged in atrocities?

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The protests are not against the war though. They are against the government not bringing back the hostages and against the inconveniences of not being able to return to home. If the government can manage to commit genocide on Palestinians without any inconveniences to the Jewish Israeli citizens then most of them would be fine with that.

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