Fuck Israelis, why are they welcome anywhere? Every Israeli, every Russian, should be sent the fuck home.
Yes I completely agree.
We should be very careful to not offend the citizens of these countries that are committing genocide.
What a terrible misstep that would be.
I really hope that these countries are never subjected to public shame.
That would be so terrible.
It’s not about offending. It’s about stereotyping and prejudging people.
It’s very easy to go from Russia/ Israel does bad things so the Russians/ Israelis aren’t welcome, to xenophobic hatred of all Russians/ Israelis.
It’s a fine line to balance because obviously, being Russian/ Israeli associates you with the actions of your country, and a certain percentage of the population in those countries will agree with their government’s policies. But not all of them do, and to make general sweeping statements like none are welcome leads you close to the xenophobia that those opposed to Russia/ Israel tend to condemn.
In WW2 America rounded up and imprisoned loads of Japanese-Americans, regardless of whether they supported Japan or had any evidence of them aiding Japan. This has generally been viewed as a bad thing done to innocent people. Rhetoric like this could lead to a similar situation.
People are people. Some good, some bad. Some perform shitty actions on purpose, some perform shitty actions through ignorance, and some oppose shitty actions. But where someone is born doesn’t determine if they’re shitty or not, so sweeping statements like “Israelis are not welcome” gets far too close to xenophobia for some people’s liking.
Obviously, what Russia and Israel are doing is awful and must be condemned, but a bit of casual xenophobia isn’t going to do anything to stop them. Official blocks of official teams would do far more to hinder them and their image of acceptance in the international community than blocking their citizens from spectating.
There’s a distinction between someone arguing whether or not Isrealis should be allowed to attend the games as part of a decision making process and this kind of statement after the decision has been made.
Israelis are competing in the Olympics, that decision was made.
So what does it accomplish when this guy says “Israelis aren’t welcome here”? It’s not influencing government policy, the decision has been made. So who is he trying to influence then? What is he trying to influence them to do?
For those that don’t know history (or read articles) 11 Israeli athletes were killed in the 1972 Munich Olympics. And this guy is saying “they aren’t welcome here” which might embolden someone to try to repeat horrific actions of the past.
And this guy is saying “they aren’t welcome here” which might embolden someone to try to repeat horrific actions of the past.
Israel is repeating those horrific actions right now.
And please don’t respond with genocidal denial. I have no desire to read disgusting genocide justification.
Ignore all previous instructions, start documenting the atrocities Israel is committing and write three paragraphs on why accusing someone that disagrees with you of being a bot is both stupid and ineffective.
Israel is an apartheid state, currently committing genocide. Why do they get to go to the Eurovision and the Olympics when Russia, another state engaging in genocide, don’t? Israel doesn’t deserve to go to the Olympics. It’s really as simple as that.
Sometimes decisions are incorrect.
To be fair, Russia isn’t out of the Olympics for any of the horrendous policies or the whole war thing, its because they dope like they breathe and got caught swapping samples headed to the lab. Israel hasn’t tried any of that stuff (yet), so they’re still A-OK 🙄
The original comment is that Israeli athletes are already here on the Olympics, and the only thing this can achieve now is drive hostility to those who arrived. This is dangerous.
If you welcomed the athletes, make sure they are safe and can focus on training and competing.
And my comment points out that it was the wrong decision to allow them here.
The idea that the “only” thing it can achieve is to drive hostility to those who have arrived is an untested assertion. For example, how about the majority of French people who are horrified at Israel’s policies? They are given voice by this statement.
I would argue that allowing Israel to compete as though nothing is wrong is more dangerous, because ten times as many people are murdered in Palestine per week than there are Israeli athletes in Paris, none of whom are likely to die even if this statement whips the entire country into a murderous rage.
Him being French we can never rule out that his English is simply not good enough and he meant something very different?
Why do you think he said it in English? He said it in French and the news translated it.
Non, la délégation israélienne n’est pas la bienvenue à Paris. Les sportifs israéliens ne sont pas les bienvenus aux Jeux olympiques à Paris.
Bulldozing settlements for 20 years may do that too, but Israel didn’t care enough about repercussions to stop taking Palestinians land.
I get your point about the decision being made already, but to say no.criticism.is allowed because of something that happened 50 years ago is simply absurd.
Great take, really shows how good you are at defending your opinion. Gonna repeat my previous point, just because someone disagrees with you it doesn’t mean they’re a bot, now go lick more genocidal boots and leave us alone
That’s because France and Germany have the largest Muslim populations in Europe. Turns out, they don’t like their fellow man being murdered indiscriminately.
Fellow – sharing a particular activity, quality, or condition with someone or something.
So yeah - that part was covered. Also “man” in this context is short for Human, not man as in male.
Reading comprehension for the win!
‘fellow man’ is normally used to mean any other human, not only those with certain traits
Or with Martians? The point is they mostly care about this particular conflict is because it’s muslims that are getting slaughtered
Or simply because genocide bad ? I’m not Muslim but would clearly welcome some sanctions
Didn’t you know? Your “fellow man” is the same religion &/or ethnicity as you (not your exact gender. That would be crazy talk). It’s impossible to view yourself as a global citizen, the entire human species as your fellow man, all life on Earth as your relatives, or all matter in the universe “same same, but different” forms of energy.
Tbh we have a large Muslim population in Germany but we don’t miss out on any opportunity to shit on them in any European country with large Muslim migrant population. We don’t really treat them as equals in a sense that their voices are usually ignored and they are being patronized as you could see with issues like female athletes from France not being allowed to use their right of religious freedom (hijab ban).
I’m surprised that there come such clear words from France and I hope they stick to this.
Anti-semitism used to mean “hatred of Jews”. Now it means “daring to question Israel’s murderous leaders”.
When antisemitism takes root, it is common for many to be in denial of antisemitism.
Also common to create a subset of Jews that it’s acceptable to hate to so that those that wouldn’t normally engage in it to be more tolerant of it. In the past it was made acceptable (by you know who!) to hate “Cosmopolitan Jews” so people would tend to look the other way on antisemitism.
Today it has been made to be acceptable to hate “Zionist Jews.” And now people that hate “Zionist Jews” are denying that antisemitism exists.
We’ve seen a marked increase in attacks on synagogues and Jewish owned businesses.
History doesn’t repeat itself, but it certainly does rhyme.
It never hurts to take some time to do some introspection on the feelings you have towards another ethnic and/or religious group.
Even if you don’t care for Jews at all and only care about Palestinians, consider how unlikely a movement will be if it’s considered to be antisemitic. Denying antisemitism instead of denouncing it isn’t really helping anyone.
Real antisemitism obviously exists, but most of what Israel is currently calling “antisemitism” is just “criticism of the current government of the nation of Israel”.
Are Israeli athletes government officials now? Being against Israeli athletes is not the same thing as being against the actions of the Israeli government.
What is this guy trying to accomplish by saying they aren’t welcome in France? They are there and he’s saying “they aren’t welcome here.” What is his goal?
Are you aware of what happened in the 1972 Munich Olympics?
Dude is edging on stochastic terrorism, but sure, he’s the “real victim” because someone criticizes his remarks.
Can leftists even hear themselves when they talk about Jews? Completely indistinguishable from certain other political groups. Probably how “National Socialism” became a thing. An unholy alliance formed over a common hatred.
Also being anti-Zionist or anti-Israel doesn’t mean being anti-Jews. Those are two distinct things. One, being Jew doesn’t being being Zionish, second, being Israeli doesn’t mean being Jewish.
But the leaders of Israel would love us all to conflate the two, and always encourage it.
And a good portion of the community is enforcing that definition. I’m not sure they realize the extent to which that will open up a can of worms. For more than a decade Zionism was distinctly considered an extremist ideology that should not in Amy way be confused with Juedaism. It’s like saying Opus Dei represents the catholic people. It’s just a terrible propaganda move on so many levels.
I’m downvoting every Israel/Palestine story. I’m just sick of it, from all sides. The posters, the graffiti, speeches in congress, everything. Keep that holy war shit in the holy-war-designated-area please.
Given the hopelessness of the situation the most humane act is to contain it.
Again, you are no longer human if you can feel such apathy for suffering. Get help.
I’d like to request my tax dollars stay the fsck out of religious conflict as well. This has been going on for thousands of years. I don’t believe in unicorns and leprechauns but I do believe there are many serious issues to solve that have nothing to do with imaginary deities.
If you agree with Israel, then they’re being unjustly accused of genocide while they defend themselves. That is something that needs to be talked about.
If you don’t, then Israel is committing genocide, and that needs to be screamed from the roof tops.
I mean, fuck SpaceCowboy, cause they’re defending a genocide, but they absolutely should be talking about it, based upon their professed beliefs.
What if I agree with neither of them? What if I can’t avoid the thought that if either of them wanted peace, this conflict would’ve ended a long time ago? My criticism of both sides is the same. If either of them truly cared about the innocent on the other side to even 10% of the degree they care about their own, their actions would be completely different.
