Yet it’s all the states fault in the US because some of those states voted for Trump. Could see this same meme with different continent and text.
Despite peoples view on the two parties in the USA, which has the same foreign policy. The Ukraine war was about the USA isolating Europe from Russia which is not in the interest of the working class. Now the US has achieved its military goals it plans on abandoning Europe and Ukraine and leave them the mess. This was always the plan. Trump or Biden. Forget the culture wars it is the class war we got to be concerned with. Fascist are the useful idiots of empire. All wars are bankers wars.
Russia is a capitalistic, fascist country. The Ukraine war is about Russia invading for Ukraine wanting closer ties to Europe.
If you’re gonna bring up class interests, war in general (both defensive and offensive) is not in the working class interests, with geopolitical aspect being pretty much irrelevant.
If the war is offensive, the proletariat are the ones dying on the battlefield to further their imperialist bourgeoisie ruler interests.
If the war is defensive, the proletariat are the ones dying on the battlefield to protect the private property and the rule of their bourgeoisie rulers, and win or lose - the class relation will remain the same.
You talk like this was some kind of well crafted plan by the powers that be. As opposed to the ravings of an overgrown toddler.
Is this the ravings of a toddler or a plan?
Ravings of a toddler. Trump isn’t as controlled by Putin as it appears. It’s more of a plan of “let a bull loose in our competitor’s china shop”. They don’t control the bull. They just need the bull to do what it’s obviously going to do.
“All wars are bankers wars.” What US capitalists wanted was for the Ukraine war to get dragged out so military contractors could feed equipment into Ukraine indefinitely. They had such a sweet setup this time around. Unlike the War on Terror, it’s easy to make a moral case for US/EU involvement, and they don’t even have to send in combat troops. The trick is to feed Ukraine enough to keep either side from having a decisive victory. That’s basically what happened under Biden. The war could have ended with the 2023 summer counteroffensive if the US and EU had been willing to throw in more equipment. Ukraine almost managed it with what they had.
The “bankers” (and it should be said that the term is often a dog whistle for Jews, even if you didn’t personally intend it that way) did not want this. It hurts them quite a lot. They come to support fascists because they’re afraid of unions and higher taxes and such. They have no idea how to control fascists once they’re in power. After fascists have ruined everything, they act like children and refuse to take any responsibility for their actions.
Thanks, but no, thanks.
Signed: Former colony
Being a superpower means making decisions. The EU has problems with that: EU’s responses to anything are too slow and too weak. Deep concerns isn’t a language of power.
True.
Maybe they need to appoint someone to be in charge, who can make decisions and really get things done.
I like a democratic parliament more. Otherwise we may have a Trump in Europe. I don’t want a singe person as powerful as a medieval monarch to decide over about half a billion people.
Otherwise we may have a Trump in Europe.
You have at least two, and arguably more, right now. Historically you’ve had some real fucking doozies too, people that make Trump look like a school child.
I don’t want a singe person as powerful as a medieval monarch to decide over about half a billion people.
That’s what you’ll get eventually.
I recognise you’re just expressing frustration towards current affairs – a frustration I often share, but:
Decisions require a mandate and the reason the EU has problems making decisions about some things is that it wasn’t designed to address them in the first place.
It’s simply a slightly over-grown trading union with occasional federalist aspirations.
Responding to tariffs - fast and coordinated.
Responding to external military threats - scattered and complicated.
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As a sidenote: According to John Bolton Trump, at least during his first term, was completely oblivious to how the European Union worked and was somehow also under the impression that Juncker, then president of the European Commission, got to decide the NATO budget. Crazy, right?
That’s why the EU’s response to defense was based on financial instruments.
To become a “superpower” and/or make quick decisions regarding e.g. military threats, it would need to actually become a state-like entity and begin building several bureaucratic arms it currently lacks which doesn’t usually happen overnight. Not to mention establishing actual policies.
Before we get to that stage though, a consensus between member states needs to be formed and all manner of legal documents drafted. Centralising power means less independence for member states which is usually a hard sell. It would likely also require member states to alter their constitutions which could be an incredibly slow process even without resistance from all the respective governments. Not to mention the fact that a popular vote in all member states might be a good idea democracy-wise.
I’m not saying necessarily it’s something we shouldn’t pursue and hey, under extraordinary circumstances even bureaucracy can move quickly but it is a huge deal and moving quickly could also mean skirting around established democratic principles. (Actually iirc European bureaucracy is generally quite efficient as is –contrary to popular belief)
I guess I wrote this in the hopes of fighting disillusionment even though it’s not the core message here. We’ll do what we have to and I’m positive we’ll get to wherever we need to be in order to survive and thrive in this century. It will require patience, nerve and active participation from all of us though.
Last thing I want us to become is like the folks over in the States claiming it’s all already over. (A minority, I hope)
Sorry for the wall of text, I guess I had some stuff pent up.
One thing I remember from the Brexit “debate” was that many viewed the prospect of the EU having an army as a terrible thing that couldn’t be allowed.
“It’s the Germans wanting to re-militarize under a different flag”
Fast-forward 6 years and Russia invaded Ukraine and the mood has certainly shifted on that one.
“Come on Germany. Get those factories going.”
The EU is mostly on a peninsula. The only direct threat right now comes from Russia, with maybe some sort of Ottoman Empire style Muslim Empire being a potential problem. Europe has enough coastline to easily trade in resources. As long as the US and China leave Europe alone, there is no real reason to even become a global superpower.
Seriously if Ukraine wins, then Europe is rich and secure for quite some time.
Europe puts a ton of international shipping through three choke points. Gibraltar, Suez Canal, and the English Channel. The US Navy is more than capable of locking down all three. So would a Chinese Navy that’s built more for blue water operations than they are now. Europe doesn’t have the air or naval capacity to counter that.
The options left are land routes and going north of England. And even going to the north of England wouldn’t be safe for shipping.
Even if it doesn’t formally unite (which it won’t in the near future), a US-independant Europe would be a superpower by virtue of economic might.
with maybe some sort of Ottoman Empire style Muslim Empire being a potential problem.
Yeah, don’t hold your breath on that one!
