Never vote for another fucking establishment democrat ever again.
They always fucking lie and say they can’t do anything, then a republican comes into office and does EVERYTHING.
Fuck everyone who voted against Bernie in the primaries.
Upset with Democrats for following the rules and blame them when Republicans break the law? We want all parties to follow the rules, not more politicians commiting crime to get their way.
Rules? The democrats talk about having their hands tied and they can’t do shit, and only float ideas around. Ideas that never materialize. The Republicans then claim the dems are dictators and do as they please and all the chaos is from their ideas that were never implemented. You know the green new deal and defund the police? Nothing of the green new deal ever happened, but the Republicans acted as if everything was fully enact. And police funding actually soared during their administrations, but Republicans act like all police forces were gutted (remember the cowardly police action at Uvalde? They claim it was the police defunding that caused it when the Uvalde PD’s funding was never touched).
I sometimes wished we lived in the fantasy world Republican propagandists say we live in. If we did, ironically none of the fascists we see online or on TV would be around since they would all be conveniently ‘disappeared’.
Because most (not all) of the Democrats are trying to govern, but most (not all) of the Republicans are trying to take advantage of the system.
The problem (as I see it) is that more money is being poured into the Republican party from many angles. They have reinforced think tanks, special interest groups, media platforms, billionaires, etc where they profiteer off of winning. The Democrats have some of that, but woefully behind.
I have some gloves-off shit I need to get off my mind and I feel the time and place for it is now because I’m very angry:
So… non voters, remember when we were telling everyone that would listen to “vote blue no matter who? Remember that? Of course you do- you threw that shit back at us like it was a god damned grenade. Remember that?
Yeah, well…. THIS is why we were saying that.
You see, we all saw this shit coming. Which is why we were saying to plug your fucking noses and just vote. Hell…, We even tried to reason with you- suggesting that-
“You’re not voting FOR Harris, you’re voting AGAINST fascism!”
You didn’t listen.
Your “…but, they’re doing a genocide!” was so deeply embedded via your little edgelord wind-tunnels, that most of you began to see it as an argument to win, instead of a point to be made-
Instead of doing anything substantial to help end it.
Well. Your point was definitely made. We all have heard you loud and clear. You collectively and VERY loudly agreed that you would be fine with the outcome either way- since genocide was going to be happening no matter who you voted for, right?
I do have to ask though…
Are you still fine with your choice? How about the memory of you, sitting on your asses and laughing at all the people rushing to voting booths in-between work and picking their kids up from daycare… How is that sitting with you? All those jokes and inflammatory remarks you hurled at the people who tried their fucking best to stop this with the only thing they have- their vote. The people, who tried to protect your sorry asses that couldn’t be bothered to even do the BARE FUCKING MINIMUM asked to protect our democracy.
I ask you… are those jokes still funny?
Is there any chance that any of you want to walk back all those accusations you made about everyone being sheep? What about those smug and arrogant jabs about how both sides are the same? About how democrats and republicans are somehow working together…
care to issue a statement here?
Because I’m pretty damned certain that NONE of this shit would be happening right now if you had listened to us when we told you that this was going to happen.
When HE fucking told you this would happen.
And while very few people here were ever in favor of the genocide in Palestine- much to the disagreement of the few that are around that are STILL arguing against this point- we knew and know- that the pain we face at home must be resolved before we can be of any aid in the pain endured by others in theirs… Especially when most of you couldn’t have even pointed to any of those homes on a map a year ago and a half ago.
It should be noted that this is not in any way to lay the entirety of blame at the feet of the stay-at-home/its-someone-else’s-problem protestors, but the numbers are in, and while your combined lack of effort might not make up the entirety of the ninety one million registered voters that stayed home, it’s a fair guess that between you and the ones that voted third party-
We could have avoided this.
Roughly four to five million votes. That’s all we needed. Just four to five million of you to have listened. But your arrogance, your fucking entitlement- wouldn’t let this happen.
So now here we are. With this shit. This tyrant king and his pet tech-gremlin, stripping away our rights hour by hour, day by day. And while dealing with this shit, I as an American, have to carry on hour by hour, day by day- being tossed into the same bucked with you.
I have to shoulder the blame right along side you. And it’s not fucking fair. I did my part. I voted. I canvased, I shouted from the fucking rooftops.
But I’ll digress…
I sincerely hope that high road you thought you were taking lands you all right to where it seems the rest of us are going….
Because no one deserves it more.
Wanted to add you make ml’s look completely sane, given how much you post about them.
If youre accusing me of being an ml, I’ve got news for you.
Seriously, what are you trying to achieve? We get it, you’re self righteous and need to whine, but what does any of this actually acomplish?
If the dems wanted to win, Bernie would have been our candidate in 2016, not Hillary. If the dems weren’t working for the same people the reps are, Harris would have taken over as president when it was CLEAR that Biden was not fit to lead anymore. If the dems wanted to prevent fascism, they would have had an election to decide who the candidate will be, not just stick Harris in and tell us to vote for her.
‘Well if you didn’t want fascism you should have given me what I want!’
That sounds like MAGA talk.
Excuse me, but if I remember correctly, wasn’t that election one with the most people voting ever? Kind of odd to be blaming non-voters when the voting turnout was a lot larger than usual.
2024 was the second highest turnout of any election on record. This isn’t the fault of non voters.
Democrats should have been begging voters to turn out, offering to give them anything they wanted to avoid Trump. Instead they actively refused the one thing voters were demanding while using trump almost like a threat
I’m so tired of this ‘democrats can’t fail, only be failed’ apologia from liberals. As things continue getting worse it will only become harder for democrats to win anything, especially if they continue refusing what voters are asking for while blaming them for the fascism dems are collaborating with.
Better get your boots laced because sitting on your ass and whining about non-voters won’t protect you, we’re all in this shit now because democrats couldn’t get themselves to challenge Israel’s genocide
The Democratic Party doesn’t give a fuck about America turning into a fascist nightmare. Never have, never will. Most of them would be happy to play puppet opposition if it meant that the checks would keep coming.
Try convincing someone like rhoeri of that.
They’d rather deflate the popular anti-wealth momentum within their own party just so they can deflect attention away from inequality, and thats why they’ll continue losing. You and I know that, but people like the above will continue placing blame on voters who are increasingly frustrated instead.
That’s how libs end up collaborating with fascism - they’re too invested in the existing and failing capital structure
The genocide stuff(yes we know its deplorable) was a wedge issue grift started and perpetuated by russia
If you want me to vote, run candidates that represent my interests.
Stop telling the progressives to ‘fall in line.’ Start telling it to the neo-liberals.
Save that energy for the next election cycle and direct it towards everyone voting for the establishment candidates.
If you can convince enough of them to nominate a candidate that supports the working class (you know, I actually voted here) then you can count on seeing me at the polls in the general election.
When you are done on your soapbox, maybe talk about what can be done instead of who you blame.
The bed is made, all we have left to do now is lie in it.
Moving forward, the best thing that can happen from this is to ensure that those that caused it see the damage they helped create so that if we ever have the opportunity again, they’ll have learned from it.
And I’ll be on this soapbox until I feel like I’ve said my fucking peace.
Block me.
“We should punish those who objected to a broken system” sounds pretty fascist to me.
So what exactly are you doing to clean up the Democrat Party of a leadership who managed to lose against none other than Donald Trump, TWICE?
Or are you just another tribalist muppet that thinks “the chief is always right and needs not concede anything to anybody and it’s everybody else who has to just do what the chief wants” hence rages against those who are not of your tribe and didn’t follow the wishes of your “chiefs” rather than against your “chiefs” for not even trying to appeal to those other people?
Because it would’ve been way easier for the handful of people in the Democrat Party leadership to, rather than totally refusing to care as they did, listen to and start addressing the concerns of the millions who were hesitant in voting Democrat, than for those millions of voters to magically change their minds when the party which should have been trying to appeal to them couldn’t give a rat’s arse about their worries.
I have so many idiot friends who said “I’m not voting for Harris cause of Israel”. I’m betting that line was a plant by the Republicans or Putin. but it stuck. and my friends bought it hook line and sinker.
Or, here’s the apparently radical third option… do what the voters want and reel Bibi/Givir/Smotrich in, or at the very least stop giving Israel outright political cover. “Israel gets to do war crimes and/or genocide… and you pay for it” was a uni-party stance in the 2024 cycle, and it’s fucking infuriating. I expect the right to back Israel reflexively, but I did NOT expect to see y’all pull the mental gymnastics make yourselves be okay with it. And then have the gall to shout down and bully away criticism of the party’s complicity.
If your candidate can mostly be summed up as “less shit” then that damning sales pitch to get the ‘apolitical normie’ vote out to win elections s. Kamala barely stood tall on any firm policy - let along a coherent platform, didn’t distance herself sufficiently from Biden, and didn’t respond to voters’ legitimate economic anxieties. At that point a demonstrable lies become the sound bites differentiating Trump from Kamala.
If their candidate is the only thing standing between a half-assed working system of government, and an outright dictatorship- and you don’t vote for them…
well, we see very well what happens, don’t we?
I don’t know about you, but I sure as shit am glad we dodged that “no policy having, pro-democracy” bullet, eh?
I mean… things are SO much better without that obnoxious democracy getting in the way.
Just people with principles. This “non voters cost us the election” is a nonsense division tactic. Stop going after people for voting their conscience and morals. You’re just making it easier for the fascists.
Not all non voters are equal thanks to our shitty election system. Swing states, ill give you that one. Those folks contributed but are still not the reason he won. Some dude in Michigan who sat out is not the same as a dude in Tennessee. One matters much more than the other.
I choked back my vomit (yet again) to participate in a process I abhor and yet again it didnt amount to shit. Maybe work on getting that extra third of the electorate instead of kneecapping a portion who will show up if you’re reasonable because you need them. And no, i don’t believe supporting genocide is reasonable.
You’re just making it easier for the fascists.
Letting the fascists win the presidency and both houses in the election made things a hell of a lot easier for them.
line was a plant
Didn’t need to be, the whole point of the Israel support was to sow the division. It was designed to be a no-win scenario on the left, orchestrated by the right, and the dino’s. The defense contractors win, there’s a stock angle to play and the collapse of support for the left.
The truth is, the left is not listening. They haven’t been for a long time. But not voting left wasn’t about to change any of that. Half the left is owned by the right. This takeover wasn’t overnight, it was over decades. Even if we managed to squeek in Harris, it would only have been another 4-8 years and we’d be back here.
Unless something drastic happens, we will stay a fascist dictatorship.
As you wish.
Videos on alternative voting systems
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
No, the correct paraphrasing is
“When given the choice between a less than perfect, but educated, compliant and compassionate candidate, or Hitler-without-class, pick the first one, otherwise you’ll get the second.”
I didn’t even have to hold my nose for Kamala. She seemed fine. Nothing amazing but fine, just like Biden.
But then again I don’t care about the pressing issues like how someone laughs.
Yeah, it’s all relative. There are plenty of issues with Kamala, and I think most of us here on Lemmy would prefer somebody considerably more progressive. However, we in the US live in a country full of people who just actively chose Donald fucking Trump, and every single one of them lived through his first term. Even if they didn’t live in the US at the time, they heard all about it if they cared to listen.
But hey, let’s see the bright side. Maybe accelerating straight into crazy town will see us wrap back to the next period of peace and democracy more quickly.
Am Not an American . Are the Democrats now doing something to be more appealing in the future, or they just rely on Trump to keep being awful?
I think this is hard for people from other countries to understand. Our Democrats are not an opposition party. We don’t have that concept in our system. I’ll admit I was naive to it before Trump started Trumping. Even after the first Trump I was thinking, “Well, that was fucking dumb. Glad we found our sanity again.” And I was wrong.
I wouldn’t have been able to articulate this before. I credit my time on Lemmy for some of it. But in reality you can’t explain any of this shit show UNLESS you accept that our entire political system is now structured to serve the rich at the expense of the peasants. Universal healthcare is a no brainer. Infrastructure like rail and renewables is a no brainer. Affordable childcare and reasonable wages is a fucking no brainer. UNLESS the incentives for those in power are not aligned with the good of the people.
Democrats don’t care that they’re not in power, as long as the establishment keeps getting paid.
Now, of course, there can be those like AOC and Sanders who buck that trend. Leaders with those types of values do tend toward the Democratic party. But those are the exceptions. And they can’t save us.
The Democrats are probably praying that Trump lives till he’s 1000 years old, otherwise they would need to do something more than not being Ttump
At the moment, our fiercest Democrat just voted for the new law to allow The government to censor anything on the internet they don’t like. I think it’s fair to say it’s not going well.
Funny, why don’t you name the law and let people look it up and read what it actually says? Are you talking about S.146, a bill to prohibit the nonconsensual online publication of intimate visual depictions of individuals, and requiring platforms to remove it upon request?
So in other words, if someone posts nudes of you online and you object to it, this law would require the site to take it down upon your requesting it… is THAT the censorship you are crying about??
I think now is a good time for third party too get going. I’m sure a bunch of left leaning Democrats could take a good chunk of the vote and tea party the Democrats.
Why are you okay with your fellow Americans being unrepresented in the voting booth?
Are you working to replace First past the post voting in your state? People should be free to vote for those they deem best, while still counting their vote against those they don’t want in office.
We don’t need to wait for a miracle from congress. How we vote us controlled at the state level. Alaska has already done away with FPTP voting. Alaskan Republicans were so upset that Ranked Choice voting kept Sarah Palin out of office they offered up a referendum to go back to FPTP voting. The people of Alaska voted to keep it. Other republican controlled states are passing legislation to outlaw any voting system other then First-past-the-post voting
Why do you want to use the same voting system republicans prefer? Do you support democracy? Or do you get off on telling people how to vote?
Videos on alternative voting systems
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
I held my nose and voted for Kamala, but 2016, 2020, and 2024 should have been cakewalks for Dems but they refuse to win the easy races by picking the worst candidates, sure 2020 fell for Dems but that wasn’t for lack of trying to lose. The Democrat party keeps putting their fingers on the scale for the losing option in the primaries.
I was one of those people right there with you, screaming at the non voters to vote.
Given what the Election Truth Alliance, and The Voice of San Diego have uncovered, I don’t think it would have mattered. They used every single method to steal the election that they could.
https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
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Absolutely disgraceful. Y’all are cooked.
Anyone here seen daredevil born again ? We really got the fisk anti vigilante task force irl before gta 6.
