KKK stole the outfit from earlier Christian rituals.
White supremacists stole from another culture? Shocking, that’s never happened before
It’s their culture too, Americans didn’t spontaneously generate as a colony. These outfits are from Europe.
The funny thing is that they had periods where they hated Catholics almost as much as their other targets while pretending to be a holy order of Catholic knights. They were literally the exact same kind of Christo-fascist as modern neo-crusaders but wouldn’t let Catholics in.
Supremacists always appropriate things. Ok symbol, sacred numbers/symbols, clothing, words, deities, and twist it to exclude.
Because fascists have no creativity.
As a general rule at least… I guess you can end up with a Leni Riefenstahl every now and then, but for the most part, if you were a good artist at the time in Germany, you were a target. And I guess one could call Josef Mengele “creative” if you remove all positive connotations from the word.
I had to wiki her, and read about Blue Light and her first propaganda film. And her “how could we know.” I guess for me it shows how easily anyone, dreamers and realists alike, can fall under the spell of skilled orators, especially the disenfranchised, wounded, left behind. Which is why I think it’s important to leave pettiness and insults behind and beneath us, and rise to healing language and honesty, first with ourselves, and then extended to our kindred. Because we are them and they are us. We just mirror our better and worst selves to each other. If what we see as the worst in ourselves repel us and cause us to use unconscionable language and tactics, why would our kindred react differently?
I’m not talking about crimes against things or even necessarily institutions, but about crimes against humanity. The most poignant rl illustration I can refer to is the attempted genocide to the Jewish people, to now the near complete genocide of the Palestinian people. It was wrong then and it’s wrong now.
Yep. There are still swastikas all over Korea because it’s been associated with Buddhists for far longer than Hitler who appropriated it. Freaks out visiting westerners, though.
It’s not just Buddhists. Asatru, Norse/Germanic cultures, too. It ticks me off we have to give up things sacred to us because they’ve been misused. Aleister Crowley reveled in it and played it to the hilt, though. Yeats was not amused.
Conservatives are incapable of original thought. Every joke they have and every insult they sling is just something they heard from a leftist, bastardized.
Everybody appropriates.
This language that you are speaking is appropriated from a bunch of other languages and cultures.
Is it appropriation if you treat people and their culture with respect? Because i dont think the issue here is how the KKK dresses. It is what they stand for ideologically and what they do. That is what makes it appropriation imo.
True, but there are nuances. Stealing a symbol and giving it new meaning by using it for a different purpose is obviously a worse kind of appropriation than adopting language and culture.
To give some context, originally a ‘nazareno’ is somebody paying penitence for sins committed since last years Easter. Part of their ‘penitence’ is to march in procession covered with those robes. The ‘capirote’ (the hood) is intended to keep those sinners (that could be important or well known people) anonymous.
I’m not sure if this is still valid today or if it’s now just a performance. Someone from the south of Spain will more about that than myself.
And this means A-Okay, not whatever the hell nazis decided.
Incidentally, if you’re one of the people who changed from this to a thumbs-up to make sure nobody thought you were evil, the thumbs-up gesture in Australia means “up yours”. Morally perfect hand gestures aren’t easy.
Australian here. Sorry that’s not a thing. Maybe if you gestured the thumbs up in a particular way? (Usually moving your whole arm up and of towards your shoulder? Honestly hard to explain in text). But that’s kind of a whole new gesture, not a thumbs up.
Don’t be afraid of doing the thumbs up here, we all do it and know what it means.
Admittedly my info is a couple decades old. When my college friends studying in Australia tried to hitchhike with their thumbs, drivers angrily returned the gesture. They were later informed that it meant “up yours” and that the correct way was to point an index finger toward where they wanted to go. Maybe years of Americans visiting have changed this.
Funny thing from an Australian friend who moved to Seattle where I live - we used to have a restaurant called Dag’s that served “Dag-burgers”. She said to her “dags” were little balls of shit clinging to a sheep’s fur. She sent home a photo of herself by the sign and her relatives thought it was hysterical.
Ahh there you go, maybe hitchhiking culture was different down here. Although I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone attempting to hitch-hike in my life tbh. Just not something people do anymore I guess. (Maybe it happens in more rural areas).
You’re not wrong about your culture spreading though. Halloween wasn’t even considered a thing when I was growing up. Now… depending on where you live you get kids attempting it. But it’s still a minority. Many grumpy home-owners saying “this isn’t America!” still exist.
‘Dag’ is certainly some aussie slang. Although I’ve never heard it used like that, I spose that might be its origin (sheep shearers are kind of a historical working class icon here). These days it’s probably be more synonymous with “dork”, or wearing some unfashionable clothing.
Unless you flash it below your waist, then it means you can punch them if they see it
How tf did this ever become a thing
Like I know obviously it’s just a funny excuse to punch your friend the same way a VW Beetle is but like,
“make a ring with your fingers and hold it near your dick and then call for your friend’s attention and then when he gives you attention, proving that he’s a good friend that listens to you, laugh at him and then punch him in the kidney”
Does this not seem insane to anyone else, I have to know the etymology of this but I don’t know how to look it up
Iirc, wasn’t this made a white supremisist symbol specifically after people jokingly or mistakenly called it one?
Like, it was a perfectly okay hand gesture, then some dude on 4chan said it’s a racist symbol (Maybe joking maybe not) some people bought into it and real racists started using it as a calling card?
Correct me if I’m wrong.
My understanding of the event:
- 4chan jokes they should pretend the okay hand sign is a white supremacist dog whistle to trigger libs.
- They do and it works.
- Online shitters who’s whole personality is “triggering sjw’s” pick up on this and perpetuate the joke to continue to trigger people.
Basically people getting mad at a joke caused it to become a real thing to some degree. While not a supremacist symbol it was heavily used by them for a time.
Apparently, in Spain thumbs up means someone “horned” you, betrayed you with someone else.
Uh, no. The ‘devil horn’ sign, aka heavy metal salute DOES mean that. Thumbs up is just ‘thumbs up’ (it’s an imported/borrowed sign, as far as ai know)
I got my own little guy I bought as a souvenir in Malaga during Semana Santa (Holy Week) 2013
I call him Miguel
I saw the processions for Semana Santa a few years ago in Madrid. My girlfriend knew I hadn’t seen this before and didn’t tell me just so she could see my reaction.
I was fairly shocked, and asked her what the craic with that was.
She explained the KKK stole the look, and this celebration outdates the KKK by many years.
Different country, this is a Dutch tradition. As a Dutch man, this shit is racist as hell and they know it. Anyone who still adores black Pete or dons the blackface is a racist motherfucker.
White Santa Claus = good and brings presents
Black Peter = evil and punishes the kids
Netherlands colonised africa.
It has always been racist, there’s just no direct proof for it.
These days after protests, they claim it’s grime, so they don’t paint their faces in black anymore but put some smut on it.
