“How can I return him to the United States? I smuggle him into the United States? Of course I’m not going to do it. The question is preposterous,” Bukele said. “I don’t have the power to return him to the United States. We’re not very fond of releasing terrorists into our country.”

"To liberate 350 million people, you have to imprison some. That’s the way it works,” Bukele told Trump. Abrego Garcia has not been charged with terrorism.

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Trump then turned to Bukele and said of the assembled reporters: “They’d love to have a criminal released into our country. These are sick people.”

Garcia has never been convicted of criminal charges in the US or El Salvador. It’s hard to overstate what a big fucking problem this is. Due process is dead, you’re a criminal because we say so. There is no exaggeration left, justice is dead, we are now, at this very moment, a dictatorship.

Edit to add that Kilmar being deported wasn’t a “mistake” like the DOJ claims. Here’s Stephen Miller directly using his own words to refute that it was a mistake today. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5248143-stephen-miller-doj-man-mistakenly-deported/

“Nobody was mistakenly deported anywhere. That’s a big fact that all of you, most of you, have gotten wrong. No one was mistakenly sent anywhere. The only mistake that was made is a lawyer put an incorrect line in a legal filing that’s since been relieved. … He is El Salvadorian. He is an illegal alien. He was deported to El Salvador,” Miller told reporters at the White House on Monday.

And just to be clear about something dollar store Dr. Evil said here: no, he was not, and is not, an illegal immigrant. He was granted asylum and was here legally.

Edit to also add that you should read The Jakarta Method if you haven’t already. This smacks really strongly of the times laid out in the book right before everything goes to hell in a reactionary takeover.

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EDIT: sorry, not citizen, but nonetheless a legal green card holder who’s been determined to be here legally.


Garcia has never been convicted of criminal charges in the US or El Salvador

Also, you can’t, you know, legally deport a US citizen to an El Salvadorian gulag even if they had committed a crime. Trump here is trying to shift the Overton window from a discussion of if they’re a US citizen to if they’ve committed a crime (they haven’t, of course), and it’s fucking disgusting.

At this point, the only criminal I think who deserves to be sent to a deep, dark hole never to return is Mr. 34 Felonies himself.


EDIT: sorry, not citizen, but nonetheless a legal green card holder who’s been determined to be here legally.

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I don’t think Garcia was a citizen, he was a green card holder, but Trump is openly discussing sending citizens to El Salvador anyway. Nobody’s going to stop him anyway, so why the fuck not?

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Also, in 2019 ICE sought to have him removed but lost their motion argument and ended up with a court order forbidding them from doing so, which ICE never did anything to get lifted. That’s why the Trump administration has had to say they deported Kilmar by mistake, if it was anything other than a mistake (which we all know it was but don’t have smoking gun proof for) that’s intentional violation of a court order, aka the Constitutional crisis all the official people have been trying to pretend isn’t happening.

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Garcia isn’t a green card holder, but he does have legal status. He’s under “withholding removal”, which is kind of asylum lite. He can live and work here, and he made regular checkins to prove he was behaving, but the government is allowed to deport him to anywhere except El Salvador, although until this they hadn’t tried.

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Thank you for the correction!

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Did any of the “reporters” there challenge them on this essential point?

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Not that I know of, likely because they don’t want to be kicked out. The white house kicked out the AP a while back for asking a question about climate change or some shit. This would get them removed and sued, no doubt, and our news organizations are either complicit or don’t have the balls/finances to push back.

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Courts ruled the AP should be allowed back in.

But the White House just violated that order: https://apnews.com/article/trump-ap-press-freedom-court-gulf-caffd32aa8ec6b04a50b8c5277d7c9cb

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If they cannot dissent or ask actual valid questions what’s the point of even being there? The fact that all of them have not stopped going until the AP is allowed back in tells you all you need to know about how trustworthy any of these Outlets are. Not.

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Thats what happens when news is either controlled by the rich via share holding mechanism or controlled by the state. News organizations need to be owned by all the people so that they are able to challenge people in power.

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If Trumplethinskin did not like chocolate milk then YOU could disappear FOREVER without a trace…because you like chocolate milk.

YOU can NOW disappear FOREVER for ANY reason he can make up.

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Man, its getting really hard to keep going to work. Its feeling like its time to just go ape shit on government properties.

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I see you have commented about those intentions a few times. I don’t know how serious you are about opsec, but in these times I would refrain from publicizing any violent intentions without at least being in a secure account I have only ever accessed via Tor, and I wouldn’t post personal stuff like cat pictures or mentions of any siblings in that account. Please, be safe

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I feel you there. I literally just started a new job today but I don’t see the place I’m working at to keep me long anyway.

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So a man is falsely imprisoned and nobody has the authority to release him?

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So… is Supreme Court just going to roll over after making an order?

I mean I assume yes but I would hope literally anyone in the government whose job it is to do something about this would…

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Yes, they’ve been going out of their way to thread the needle of not declaring the constitution dead while simultaneously allowing Donald to be king. I’ve heard that they’re trying to avoid triggering a constitutional crisis because they’re afraid they’ll lose, but to roll over and not enforce the constitution provides functionally no difference than if they had lost a constitutional crisis.

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but to roll over and not enforce the constitution provides functionally no difference than if they had lost a constitutional crisis.

Oh, it makes a very big difference… to them. If they pick a fight with Trump and lose, they go to the gulag. If they appease him, they might not go to the gulag.

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How are they to enforce it?

Same question goes to international courts frequently. Can rule all you like, it’s all meaningless if you can’t enforce it and those subject to your rulings don’t care enough to listen.

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they can deputize the citizenry

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Assign those in contempt of court to the El Salvador gulag to help them “facilitate”

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Who’s gonna do that? Like, who’s gonna start rounding them up? The DoJ is on Trump’s side, and the Judicial branch needs them to actually enforce shit.

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Every single function of government that was intended to prevent something like this has failed. Different tools will be necessary to address this.

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Ah, that’s the beauty of it. The order was to “facilitate” his release, which they’ve already said means they only have to make it easier for him to return. If El Salvador doesn’t return him, that’s the end of their responsibilities. They don’t have to do jack shit, and the supreme court doesn’t have to enforce anything. Everybody wins (except democracy and freedom in the US, but that’s a small price to pay for a bunch of fascist goons to save face).

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…because they’ve already executed him…

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