I really wonder how all the protest voters feel about all of this. Not what they’d say they feel, because we’ve all seen their smug and entitled responses- no, what I want to know is; how they actually and honestly feel about all of this.
Because even though I voted, I’ve seriously thought about it. I’ve tried to put myself in the shoes of someone who has EVERY reason to ask themselves if all of this was worth the entitlement-driven single-issue excuse to avoid doing the bare minimum it would have taken to hold on to the last shred of our democracy- to avoid having to have participated in what might have been America’s last election.
Yeah. I’m fucking angry.
And I’m not yet ready to forgive the assholes that helped make this happen. And part of the reason is that while I’ve seen post after post and meme after meme of even the conservatives questioning their reasoning in voting for that corrupt little felonious mouth-breathing gremlin, I haven’t see even ONE of these third party/non-voters so much as make a peep in the general vicinity of remorse.
If they want to talk about rallying behind a cause- as we see them doing here so many times, they should first start by fessing up and own their shit, because in an adult world, anyone that can admit their mistakes proves they have the honesty, maturity, and humility it takes to deserve trust.
Otherwise- I see no reason to trust them any further than I would a conservative.
So. Your answer is to whine about my comment and offer nothing but ad hominem?
You could have easily just kept scrolling, or even just blocked me…
but wait!
Was there something I’ve said or something I’m doing that bothered you enough to want to complain about it? Do you feel better for having vented your anger and frustrations into words?
Imagine that!
(Oh, and for the record- EVERYONE posts their personal “butthurt” feelings about shit in pretty much every single post on lemmy- even you, genius. Or are you forgetting that modlogs are public?)
Oh no! Someone who engages instead of downvoting! Imagine that! I must put more emotion into it without addressing anything the person said!! lol I’ve already seen where this is going which is why I figured I would save anyone else the trouble and reply to your constant whining before someone else got sucked in. Thank you for making it clear why you’re doing all this though, you have no other way to express yourself or move on. Good luck with all that, if I run into you in the future I’ll make sure to stick with one reply and watch ya fizzle out. Maybe this all might help you in the long run.
You need to ask the same question to your politicians, not voters. If its such a big issue why didnt the democratic party stand for anything? Winning was absolutely on the table, your establish dems didnt want to win either. Thats the problem.
Your dems didnt “help” make this happen, they made it happen arm in arm with right wing extremists. You think just because they call themselves democrats they arent right wing or fascist? America is so far right wing and filled with propaganda the populace cant make sense of it and still think they have a proper opposition party - you dont.
You wanted more people to vote? Just as many would have voted for Trump as well, wow good job.
Ah shit. Orange Hitler finally floating his true intent. lets see what americans can do. please dont tell me you made fun of the French as pussies without backing up how much more aggressive american citizens can be demanding their own rights… lets see americans back it up!
The best advice I can give: leave the Untied States if you can
im a dual citizen myself but cant get my passports because im trans 🙃 that and broke as hell but still. id get stopped at the border because a guy with a fullass beard with a ‘F’ on their passport is considered fraud.
I have been unable to convince my spouse despite 9 years of trying. Really sad because we had two good options but chose to stick it out because of family (I say to hell with them but don’t have a veto proof majority there).
This is exactly why the 2nd amendment exists.
Those of you who have served in the military and swore an oath to protect us from domestic enemies, please seriously consider honoring your oath before the rest of us have to do it for you.
I would never ask someone else to risk their lives for me. I think we all need to figure out where our red line is - for me it would be a successful attempt to keep serving in a third term, or actually successfully deporting/imprisoning US citizens without due process. Merely trying or talking about it isn’t enough because if the constitutional process stops him, that means it’s still working.
Maybe, just maybe, we should stop the known arsonist - who has declared they are going to burn all our houses down and is now gleefully walking to our neighborhood with a can of gasoline and a blow torch - before they get to the first house
non American here. the red line was January 6th. Don’t wait to see if more boxes are checked, every autocracy in history relied on people planning to resist when things ‘really’ got worse. By then it’s always too late. They’re planning accordingly.
Trump has learned that people will allow him to keep crossing over their “red line” and will draw an new red line. He’s been doing it for years. Now Americans are saying he can throw out the Constitution, so long as they aren’t yet personally impacted, but they will react at some future point when he gets even worse, maybe.
Why doesn’t the successful deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia without due process rise to this level for you? It’s true he wasn’t a US citizen, but he did have a protected status that let him live and work legally in the US. And given that he was deported without due process, but simply by “administrative error,” there was no point at which he was given the opportunity to bring up his legal status. That is, the thing that would be different if they tried to do this to a citizen is that they would have successfully done it to a citizen. Presumably the courts would order them to bring the citizen back, but they’ve already done that with Abrego Garcia, and the administration isn’t complying.
If that’s your bright line, maybe check out the boot that’s straddling it.
My main criteria is can we fix it.
If a Democrat wins in 2028, we can hypothetically fix immigration policy, tariffs, and all the rest with enough popular support. In fact now that the far right has shown themselves to be a clown show, maybe that phase of America’s maturation may finally be ending. We might even bring Abrego Garcia himself back.
But if we deport citizens - who can vote and participate in democracy - that puts the thumb on the scale. It makes permanent fascism like in Russia more likely. And it’s worth dying to avoid that permanent fate. But if it’s temporary, it just doesn’t rise to that level.
Not at all, it was a compromise between counting slaves as ‘population’ and not people, so the south wasn’t totally devoid of population numbers big enough to matter. Considering Jefferson and Washington were proud southern slave owners and set the standards for the country legally and traditionally, it’s hardly a surprise this is still being done when the whole point was treating people like cattle and also giving their humanity to their masters as political power.
You’re thinking of the 3/5ths compromise, which is a separate though related thing to the Electoral College.
The EC tended to favor non-plantation slavery states (only Maine and Massachusetts had zero slaves at the time, though several others were close to zero). Virginia was by far the biggest state by population, and it had tons of slaves. Without counting its slave population, it would still have been the largest. The Electoral College, at least at the time, favored small, relatively slave-free states like Rhode Island and Vermont. The 3/5ths compromise does give some extra power to the larger slave states in the EC by way of added population, but not proportionate to what small states get out of it.
Federalist 68 gives the official reasoning behind the EC:
Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment. And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the President in office. No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States, can be of the numbers of the electors. Thus without corrupting the body of the people, the immediate agents in the election will at least enter upon the task free from any sinister bias. Their transient existence, and their detached situation, already taken notice of, afford a satisfactory prospect of their continuing so, to the conclusion of it. The business of corruption, when it is to embrace so considerable a number of men, requires time as well as means. Nor would it be found easy suddenly to embark them, dispersed as they would be over thirteen States, in any combinations founded upon motives, which though they could not properly be denominated corrupt, might yet be of a nature to mislead them from their duty.
Another and no less important desideratum was, that the Executive should be independent for his continuance in office on all but the people themselves. He might otherwise be tempted to sacrifice his duty to his complaisance for those whose favor was necessary to the duration of his official consequence. This advantage will also be secured, by making his re-election to depend on a special body of representatives, deputed by the society for the single purpose of making the important choice.
In other words, the EC existed precisely to stop someone like Donald Trump from taking office. Or more accurately, stopping a populist, corrupt nitwit was the reason it was justified to the American people at the time. Back then, they were trying to head off criticism of democracy from supporters of constitutional monarchy. That is, democracy would be vulnerable to takeover by a populist, corrupt nitwit.
Obviously, it has failed at its one job. That doesn’t mean democracy itself is vulnerable. On the contrary, the EC is a specifically anti-democratic concept that has been abused by exactly the sort of populist, corrupt nitwit it was supposed to guard against.
Wow, nothing like a shove forward as you step back right? I got news for you buddy, this isn’t the kind of thing just a few people can fix. The country actually elected him. We need to build a movement to fight this, to prevent the country from just electing the next one.
I bet when “ice” agents start meeting resistance in the form of 9mm and .45 it will make some changes.
Yes, Republicans will start personaly hunting down anyone darker than snow.
when ice is coming to get me, no amount of weaponry will save me, all I’ll do is take some nazis with me.
Group up with others of the same opinion and go hang at some brown people’s houses. Don’t wait. Force the issue.
Honestly, not true? ICE is a bunch of fatass fascist sympathizers that get their rocks off abusing their authority. If they try to kidnap you, they are not going to expect you to be armed and dangerous. They are not going to be prepared for you to fight back.
You’ll have to flee immediately after, because they’ll send more agents when the first turn up dead, but it at least gives you a chance.
Absolutely true. They will also make shit up and deface your name anyways.
Even if you were found innocent and released, the entire world would believe the US government and the US government would call you MS-13 or pedophile
They wouldn’t correct that mistake. And you would be hard to even find a job, plus you would probably have cultists coming to kill you
That is if they’d still don’t just send you to the concentration camps and have you murdered like they have done so far
I want to be very clear here. If they take you, at A MINIMUM, they will beat you, torture you, SA you, and deny you civil rights and human rights. At worst, you die. You want all these slack jawed jackasses that won’t raise holy hell about the government already doing this to immigrants, you’re dead anyway. ‘‘ICE kills US citizen’’ is a much stronger headline than ‘‘Trump says he will do this to citizens’’ additionally when the ICE agents have to deal with the fact that ‘‘just following orders’’ includes a high chance of death, they might question the orders.
They cover their faces and ID anyway, they should be blasted any place with stand your ground.
This is important to remember
Take down the Nazis with you because you have no choice or hope. You can’t reason with them
They will deface you and disappear you. They will say you work for MS-13, that you’re a child pedophile, they will craft and manufacture evidence and they will disappear you to the concentration camps. They’ve already done this, they’re just going to continue
As others have said, if they take you to a second location, you could either die or end up in a gulag in another country, which is probably as good as being dead.
May as well fight to the death. Make them pay for it. If you don’t you could end up wishing you had another opportunity to.
Exactly this. The fear of torture to death would make me fight back when they bust in. This reminds me to start carrying and leaving easy access to the shotgun at home
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