206 points

I really hope Russia is collapsing soon so Ukraians can have actual peace.

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119 points

And the world. Fuckers have infected everything

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54 points

Agreed. I want the killing to stop and Russia to stop it’s conquest.

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30 points

Don’t worry, the US will probably bail Russia out to keep that from happening

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25 points

lets bankrupt them next. they obviously have too much power and dont know how to be responsible with it.

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5 points

Trump is already hard at work on his magnum opus bankruptcy.

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23 points

Not if Trump has anything to do about it.

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5 points

He will restart lend lease to Russia.

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106 points

It’s seriously astonishing that they managed to wear though the entire massive Soviet stockpile.

Covert Cobal has great tank and apv counting vids, documenting the ever worsening condition of the vehicles remaining. https://youtube.com/@covertcabal

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Yes. Back when analysts used to talk about a war with Russia pre-2022, something you heard pretty often was “they’re not as advanced, but they have so much stockpiled armour”.

This is like America running out of guns or Canada running out of syrup.

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20 points

I think not even the CIA predicted the effectiveness of drones and javelins against old armor. Without modern defenses, they are just sitting (or slowly moving) ducks. Add to this the corruption in the military, causing lack of maintenance and missing parts, plus the gaps in skills and training of their soldiers.

We are maybe 1-2 years away from the Russian military collapsing, if it weren’t for the orange clown.

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11 points

Even modern armor without active countermeasures like Trophy seem like they could be just as vulnerable to drones. Especially to top attacks.

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2 points

I said 15 months or less to hyperinflation somewhere yesterday. In that case, they could theoretically start conscription and grind Ukraine down that way, or start selling big ticket things like territory in exchange for help, but political capacity to enforce that is a serious question.

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24 points

I seem to remember they were using actual WW2 tanks?

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Yup. Not because they were out of more modern tanks yet at that point, but because the more modern tanks took longer to refurbish. But now they really are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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Yeah, I was wondering. One would suppose 80 yo ordnance is the bottom of the barrel. Thanks for clarifying.

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The stockpile was built in the 50s, 60s and 70a though. The vast bulk of it is 50-70 years old. Post soviet Russia didn’t have the money, and prior to that the stockpile was good.

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8 points

Prior to Ukraine the stockpile was good. Then it started disappearing.

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So let’s have a ceasefire eh? /s

Finally the reality is catching up with russia.

Slava Ukraine!

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Yeah, the fact that Putin is not really pushing for a ceasefire means that they are not as out-of-stock as the headline suggests…

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They are already using way less tanks & armored vehicles today. They will never really “run out” but just have a smaller stockpile to draw from, which seems to be the case.

Also, who knows what kind of information putin gets, look at donald and the information he gets and he’s not even killing everyone not doing their job correctly.

Change comes gradually and then suddenly. Lots of signs point to a collapse (stockpiles, economy, the blocked frontlines, …, and donkeys), some people have put it to around mid 2025-end 2025 for quite some time now.

Interesting times.

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Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

Germany warns Russia may be preparing attack on NATO

Both of these cannot be true.

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The idea is that after some kind of cease fire, russia will churn out stuff for 3-4-5 years (so mebbe 1.000 tanks?) and then not go full frontal against NATO but say take a bite out of Lithuania, just to see what the response will be.

Like they have been doing since forever (Chechnya, Moldavia, Georgia, Ukraine and so on).

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18 points

Correct. The issue with Ukraine though is they fought back and didn’t give any land to Russia. Now Putin needs to save face and how many people put through the meat grinder to do that is irrelevant.

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Irrelevant to Putin. It matters a lot to Europe and Ukraine.

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33 points

There are ways Russia can attack that doesn’t include massive tank charges

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They can be true. They might be low on current stockpile, but what is building up is production capacity. Preparing to attack doesn’t mean immediately attacking, what most have concern is that once Russia’s war against Ukraine cools down, Russia will spend the next 4-10 years building up towards potentially attacking NATO nations.

Yes, years down the line doesn’t sound as alarming to the layman, but it is critical for that eventuality to be recognized and prepared for, nations and industry move slowly, and they need to prepare to fight another long drawn out war.

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Both things can be true because Germany is talking about risks in the upcoming 5 to 10 years, while this issue is relevant today.

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17 points

They absolutely can.

Russia has thousands of men willing to fight in horrendous conditions.

A few thousand soldiers that are very well equipped might lose to 10x as many badly equipped enemies.

I think they would lose, but they might not think so.

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10 points

I still can’t believe how fucking shameless their regime is with those “prizes”. Like… holy fuck.

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7 points

Russia has thousands of men willing to fight in horrendous conditions.

They’ve got hundreds of thousands of conscripts who are largely dug in along an enormous front, along the four eastern most seized Oblasts in Ukraine.

Any attack they would make into a NATO state would be an artillery bombardment intended to deny Ukrainians resupply, not a ground invasion to secure territory. Particularly not when they have poor control over their own borders and a nasty instance of counter-insurgence popping up in and around their major cities.

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We have to keep in mind that Europe needs to justify austerity for the citizens and rearmament for their militaries. I have no evidence of this, but I think it’s an entierly sensible read that the warning from Germany is an overstatement with that intent in mind.

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I guess you need to pretend there’s a threat NOW in order to divert funds towards defense now.

If the threat is in more like 10 years, why don’t we start investing next year instead? etc.

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Yes, because it will impact social programs. That hardship needs to be justified.

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15 points

If you know anything about current Russian government, you’d know that one necessarily follows the other. The more desperate Russia gets, the less reserves they have, the more bold and aggressive they’re getting. There is a combination of factors leading into it, both psychological and material.

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13 points

Everything written about this conflict (by anyone) is propaganda. The enemy is a powerful and maximally oppressive force we all need to fear, but is also so weak it’s losing equipment fast and its final defeat is only a matter of time.

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10 points

I was told that russia was bankrupt and the war would be over in 3 months. And then when that wagner guy revolted, it was the final nail in the coffin

Yet here we are and the war is still on.

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It’s not our fault you have been badly informed.

Everyone knows the russian economy is on the ropes for example, but when will it crack? No one knows.

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Yea I remember the videos of all the civilian cars being delivered via trains because “russia was out of military vehicles” like 5 months after it started

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when that wagner guy revolted, it was the final nail in the coffin

What was crazy during the Wagner Revolt was the intransigence of the Ukraine line.

You’d think that would be the moment for a full press by Ukraine troops over a lightly defended border. But no… they just stayed put and watched Prigovian flounder.

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11 points

Have you never worked in an organization?

You can have as many preparation meetings as you want and still be on your ass when the day of judgement comes.

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4 points

“No plan survives first contact” - Helmuth

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Russia wouldn’t exactly not try, but they have a very 19th century realpolitik take everything and exploit the fuck out of it approach. I would have said that’s silly. now, not so sure it isn’t working

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8 points

They can flood the Baltics with drones and cause plenty of chaos and destruction.

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5 points

Taking over a Baltic state is feasible. NATO might react by sending helmets and prayers.

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3 points

Artikel 42 EU treaty. All members of the EU have to fight with their full capacity. This will escalate quickly.

There are already EU troops in the Baltics, just to remind the Russans of it.

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You should read Article 42.

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4 points

Who said the attack would be with conventional armed forces?

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German security officials believe the Kremlin is laying the groundwork for a potential large-scale conventional war with NATO by the end of the decade, according to multiple reports cited by European Pravda and Bild.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/germany-warns-russia-may-be-preparing-attack-on-nato/

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Russia can’t even take over Ukraine, let alone half of NATO to even make it into Germany. I personally think this is just fearmongering on the side of our elected officials so the military industrial complex can make a few more bucks with money from the state.

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  1. Russia doesn’t need to make it into Germany to make it a disaster for all of Europe.

  2. Sure, NATO as a whole is bigger than Russia, but the troops and equipment are mostly not at the eastern border where the fighting would take place. We certainly don’t have anything near the size of the Ukrainian army stationed in the Baltics. Take the US out of the equation, because let’s be honest: under Trump they’re not going to stand up for Europe, and the military balance suddenly looks a lot less favorable. I’m not so sure the European NATO states could mount an effective and timely response to an incursion into the Baltic states, or into Poland around the Suwalki gap.

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Then move troops there. The European NATO members already outspend Russia in terms of military investments. Russia can’t even take over Ukraine, a country that’s not even in NATO and hasn’t even had any modern military equipment for a very long time. Hell, they’re getting hand me downs from countries like Germany, equipment that’s decades old, isn’t state of the art, and needs repairs, and they’re still keeping Russia at bay. Now there’s articles about Russia depleting its own tank stocks and shit, not being able to sustain even a war with Ukraine, and we’re supposed to believe that Russia will somehow attack Germany or Poland (which is to be fair probably better armed than Germany).

So there’s only two options here: either the western press is lying about Russia depleting its stocks and they’re actually holding back instead of fully invading Ukraine (God knows why they fought in Ukraine for three years now then instead of just releasing their full “military might” from the get go). Or, the western press is fear mongering about Russia actually being able to invade NATO so the military industrial complex can make a quick buck off of our tax money.

My two cents: there’s no chance in hell Russia can invade any NATO country, they can barely function in Ukraine lmao. Just send troops to the baltic and you’re gonna be fine. No need for trillions of euros in new guns.

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Russia is still ramping up military production on a wartime economy, to be used after the Ukrainians stop fighting back. Also their production focuses on their modern options for land and air. I don’t know what their naval production is doing.

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  • We’re on the verge of total victory

  • The enemy is prepared to launch its biggest attack yet

Is the same war time propaganda we’ve been served up for decades. Iraq/Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Kosovo, Vietnam, Korea…

The news coverage is totally divorced from what is happening on the ground. There’s even a term for it.

Credibility Gap

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This your first round in front of the firehose of lies?

Best guess: Russia is a paper bear that need to keep growling before the bookworms eat it

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Russia was ridiculed by a very small army. It does not stand against NATO

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They will not win, doesn’t mean they can’t deal untold damage trying

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Right, but that would not make sense

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There’s been very little damage to Russia so far though.

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Ukraine isn’t a very small army. They’re the second largest army in Europe.

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You know I didn’t mean now

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One of the traits of fascism by Umberto Eco, enemy is in the same time weak and strong.

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Right, so in your version of this world, who is the fascist? Germany?

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Fascists are the ones that do or promote fascist things. Germany is not one of those countries.

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Not with tanks. Probably with hypersonic nukes instead.

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It’s ok, they’ll just buy them from the US. That’s what allies do.

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