I mean, in fairness, do we have any qualms with the rest of the company? Elon was directly responsible for pretty much all of the cyber truck decisions. But the regular Tesla’s, aside from Elon prohibiting lidar and making false claims about self driving, are pretty decent. Without him, lidar might get implemented, the cyber truck will probably be scrapped, and real engineers will have their voices heard again.
Isn’t that kind of what we want from a company? To realize their errors and remove the cancerous parts?
do we have any qualms with the rest of the company
Let’s say they can him. Let’s say he is somehow compelled to sell off stock until he’s a minitority shareholder. His ego would not let that go. To say he’s still filthy fucking rich would do a disservice to filth. You can’t separate him from this mess. He’d just come back.
If he just disappeared tomorrow, no chance of repurchasing it, just maybe but we need to see:
- Unions everywhere
- OSHA up their ass
- Put some fucking LiDAR on the cars
- Reinvent quality control
- Reinvent a safety program so that people can’t burn to death locked in their car.
- Fully support individual resale.
- Fully support 3rd party service centers.
- Every car is modified until it gets at least a three-star crash rating
- All features are purchased with the car, if your seat has a heater, you can use it for free.
- One feature is “we don’t sell” or “store your data in a way that can identify you”
- Car updates are transparent and unless a true safety hazard, optional.
- No more of this screwing around with odometers to speed past warranty availability and everyone gets 30k more miles and another year because they were assholes.
Why do you want a redemption arc for this overvalued company so bad? You holding a bag?
not OP, I wouldn’t mind a redemption arc, they were pretty f’ing cool before he got there.
Everything that was on the market before tesla was a facimilie of a thousand other cars before it. They did something (for better or worse) different. Learning what not to do has power in itself.
After they took the leap, all of a sudden a lot of other companies started throwing out prototypes. I don’t think the Volt I drive today would have happened if they didn’t go there first.
Of course things got a lot worse as Elon butted in further and they started pushing QC out and cybertruck BS in.
I think they’re likely irredeemable, but I’d like to see another company follow in their footsteps and keep pushing the tech further, not in a garbage dumpster direction, but in a simpler and more effective direction.
Everything that was on the market before tesla was a facimilie of a thousand other cars before it.
Dude, every one of their generic sedan looking business fleet cars look so bleh that they make a mid-90s Dodge Neon look like mind-blowing body design.
The only thing they’ve produced in the last ten years that’s even markedly different from the competition is the cybertruck, and that’s only different in a bad way.
The “innovations” they brought to market are almost all shit I would never need nor want save the EV part of it. I cannot imagine ever wanting to drive a thing in which much of the control and all of the gauges are on a permanently mounted, great value iPad.
They are saying the resale value on these things is going through the floor, and honestly that’s good because that’s what they are worth.
I think you’re probably giving a potential new CEO too much credit. You really think that Elon will just relinquish control over his company and let the CEO do whatever? Not a chance.
Calling a company, which actively vendor-locks pretty much the whole car using their propiatery software while having the worst warranty ever, pretty decent is beyond me.
Especially a company belonging to the car lobby.
Tesla was garbage before Elon came out as a Nazi. The quality control is non existent and has been.
Yes, and that’s another reason the company is failing, and I won’t buy a car from them. But, that’s not the point here, the point is Musk’s stupid antics are having major consequences for him. The only value he’s had for the company for years is as a mascot. The company succeeded so far as it has in spite of Musk, not because of him. Same for SpaceX.
It’s literally the opposite. The company has only done well in the past because of his antics. Tesla currently has a price per earning ratio of 155. It’s only even this low because now people realize he’s a Nazi. In the past, I’ve seen their price per earning ratio go as high as 350. If you know anything about stock fundamentals, you’d know that a normal ratio is around 20-30. Anything under would be a must buy stock and anything over would be a must sell, generally but not always.
But not Telsa. This isn’t the first quarter sales have been down for Telsa. In the past when it happened, Elon would just do something stupid like launch a car into space, make a small flame thrower, or do some stupid meme shit and the price would still go up, despite a bad earnings call.
Since the first non roadster Telsa, they have been making shit quality cars and selling features as a subscription. If it wasn’t for captain dipshit doing stupid stuff and fooling people into thinking he’s smart, that company would have failed. Or he would have sold his portion back to the original owners and they company might have produced quality cars like the Roadster.
They’re overvalued in the triple multiples compared to other American car companies because they’re a meme stock and halfway ran on government subsidies we paid for rather than putting it into education or social causes.
A step in the right direction isn’t good enough when there’s miles to tread.
A step in the right direction isn’t good enough when there’s miles to tread.
So all or nothing? Then you’ll get nothing.
Good, fuck em. There’s no negotiation here. I don’t care if the entire company goes under. What great service is Tesla providing? Not enough mobile beta-testers riding bombs down the rosd? They do nothing for the people supporting them.
I guess a new company will have to rise up so entitled Californians can be tricked by marketing into thinking they’re saving the planet when the batteries were mined by gas-powered machines using the same poor brown folk they feel sorry for on Bluesky.
Cry a river.
He will still have a shitload of shares. I don’t need to get into the nitty-gritty detail of whether I hate the company or its products; his stock in it is what allowed him to buy the election for Trump, so fuck Tesla.
But did Tesla facilitate that or was Tesla worn like a puppet by an investor(Elon). There’s a distinct difference and what I’m asking. Do we blame every company that gets gutted by Venture Capitalists? Do they have no path to redemption?
But did Tesla facilitate that
Its shareholders sure did.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/elon-musk-pay-package-vote-cbs-news-explains/
It’s bizarre that you’re even entertaining this as an idea.
Unless Musk loses all of his shares, not sold, and not only some, all of them - Tesla is complicit in providing power to Elon Musk.
No they do not have a path to redemption as long as it is literally the reason he was able to buy (and manipulate for his own gains) Twitter.
