You are viewing a single thread.
View all comments
115 points
*
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
reply
45 points

My ISP doesn’t support IPv6, now what?

It’s really bullshit.

permalink
report
parent
reply
22 points

Hurricane Electric have a free tunnel broker that is super simple to set up if you really want to get on the bandwagon.

https://tunnelbroker.net/

Though honestly I’d say the benefits of setting it up aren’t really worth the trouble unless you’re keen.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

Yeah it’s a huge source of problems. If you are outside the US your IPv6 prefix is never gonna be correct in every GeoIP database, even if you send a request to have it corrected, so you sometimes get geoblocked and other sites just block you because it sometimes gets classified as VPN.

permalink
report
parent
reply
17 points
*
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

I did this until I moved to an ISP that cared about IPv6.

It was almost trivial even with the ISP’s PoS router.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points
*

Really bullshit ISP indeed.

permalink
report
parent
reply
10 points

It also means you no longer need the kludge that is NAT. Full E2E connectivity is really nice – though I’ve found some network admins dislike this idea because they’re so used to thinking about it differently or (mistakenly) think it adds to their security.

permalink
report
parent
reply
16 points

NAT still has its place in obfuscating the internal network. Also, it’s easier to think about firewall/routing when you segregate a network behind a router on its own subnet, IMO.

permalink
report
parent
reply
11 points

Given how large the address space is, it’s super easy to segregate out your networks to the nth degree and apply proper firewall rules.

There’s no reason your clients can’t have public, world routeable IPs as well as security.

Security via obfuscation isn’t security. It’s a crutch.

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

Obfuscation is not security, and not having IPv6 causes other issues. Including some security/privacy ones.

There is no problem having a border firewall in IPv6. NAT does not help that situation at all.

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

That’s what temporary privacy addresses are for. Clients can just keep generating new addresses in your /64, which is it’s own subnet.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points

I think you’ll find some ISPs will be reluctant to let go of CGNAT - they’re doing quite nicely by charging extra for ‘commercial’ services where it’s not in the way.

Fortunately, many of us know about cloudflare tunnelling and other services, so NAT really isn’t a problem to self hosters and even SMEs any more.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

Why do you say NAT doesn’t make a network more secure?

permalink
report
parent
reply
8 points

This article is biased to selling you more F5 equipment but is a reasonable summary:

https://www.f5.com/resources/white-papers/the-myth-of-network-address-translation-as-security

Long story short is that NAT is eggshell security and you should be relying on actual firewall rules (I wouldn’t recommend F5) instead of the implicit but not very good protections of NAT.

permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points
*
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply
6 points

It wasn’t designed for a security purpose in the first place. So turn the question around: why does NAT make a network more secure at all?

The answer is that it doesn’t. Firewalls work fine without NAT. Better, in fact, because NAT itself is a complication firewalls have to deal with, and complications are the enemy of security. The benefits of obfuscating hosts behind the firewall is speculative and doesn’t outweigh other benefits of end to end addressing.

permalink
report
parent
reply
8 points

I had network speed issues and the solution was literally to disable ipv6… Fiber 1gbit network still had issues. https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/owbjdl/anyone_else_getting_buffering_when_using_ipv6/

permalink
report
parent
reply
32 points
*
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

4k was fine until I tried watching 8k 60fps HDR on YouTube, disabling IPv6 fixed it. It was weird because speedtest and torrents were completely fine using full bandwidth, just YouTube needed me to disable ipv6

permalink
report
parent
reply
9 points

Weird. Ipv6 and YouTube stats for nerds shows between 140mbit and 600mbit depending on what’s being watched and the time of day.

Is it possible your isp has problems with their ipv6 setup?

IPv6 overheads should only have a marginal impact on max speeds.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

I’ve heard of all sorts of issues with my fiber ISP (Verizon Fios) rolling out IPv6. It’s been years that they’ve been slowly rolling it out for testing in a few places. There’s virtually no useful documentation on their website about it. And it’s still not available where I am.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

ipv6 in companies… ipv6 is not hard, but for internal networking no company (really) “needs” more than rfc1918 address space. thus any decision in that direction is always “less” needed than any bonus for (da)magement personnel is crucial for the whole companies survival…

for companies services to be reachable from outside/ipv6 mostly “only” the loadbalancers/revproxies etc need to be ipv6 ready but … this i.e. also produces logs that possibly break decades old regexes that no one understands any more (as the good engineers left due to too many boni payed to damagement personnel) while other access/deny rules that could break or worse let through where they should block (remember that 192.168. could the local part of ipv6 IF sone genious used a matching mech that treats the dot “.” as a wildcard as overpayed damagement personnel made them rush too fast), could be hidden “somewhere”. altogether technical debt is a huge blocker for everything, especially company growth, and if no customer “demands” ipv6, then it stays on the damagement personnels list as “fulfilling the whishes of engineers to keep them happy” instead of on the always deleted “cleaning up technical debt caused by damagement personnel” list.

setting up firewalls for ipv6 is quite easy and if you go the finegrained “whitelisted or drop/block” approach from the beginning it might take a bit for ipv6 specials to be known to you, but the much bigger thing is IMHO the then current state of firewall rules. and who knows every existing rule? what rules should be removed already and must not be ported to ipv6? usually firewalls and their rules are a big mess due to … again too many boni payed to damagement personnel, hindering the company from the needed steps forward…

ipv6 adoption is slow for reasons that are driving huge cars that in turn speed up other problems ;-|

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points
*
Deleted by creator
permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

i once had to look at a firefall appliance cluster, (discovered, it could not do any failover in its current state but somehow the decider was ok with that) but when looking at its logs, i discovered an rsh and rcp access from an ip address that belonged to a military organisation from a different continent. i had to make it a security incident. later the vendor said that this was only the cluster internal routing (over the dedicated crosslink), used for synchronisation (the thing that did not work) and was only used by a separate routing table only for clustersync and that could never be used for real traffic. but why not simply use an ip that you “own” by yourself and PTR it with a hint about what this ip is used for? instead of customers scratching their head why military still uses rcp and rsh. i guess because no company reads firewall logs anyway XD

someone elses ip? yes! becuase they’ll never find out !!1!

i really appreciate that ipv6 has things like a dedicated documentation address range and that fc00:/7 is nicely short.

permalink
report
parent
reply

Programmer Humor

!programmerhumor@lemmy.ml

Create post

Post funny things about programming here! (Or just rant about your favourite programming language.)

Rules:

  • Posts must be relevant to programming, programmers, or computer science.
  • No NSFW content.
  • Jokes must be in good taste. No hate speech, bigotry, etc.

Community stats

  • 6.2K

    Monthly active users

  • 775

    Posts

  • 6.8K

    Comments

Community moderators