Comment by Jumuta@sh.itjust.works on Anon hates Apple

what did Steve Jobs even do except for management and marketing, and why does he then get the praise for the hardware/software???

ripped off Steve Wozniak

Honestly, genius-level move. Always a good decision.

he did much more than that….

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_I

might be an interesting read:

By March 1, 1976, Wozniak completed the basic design of his computer.[22][23] Wozniak originally offered the design to HP while working there, but it was rejected by the company on five occasions.[24] When he demonstrated his computer at the Homebrew Computer Club, his friend and fellow club regular Steve Jobs was immediately interested in its commercial potential.[25] Wozniak intended to share schematics of the machine for free, but Jobs advised him to start a business together and sell bare printed circuit boards for the computer.[26][27][28] Wozniak, at first skeptical, was later convinced by Jobs that even if they were not successful they could at least say to their grandchildren that they had had their own company. To raise the money they needed to build the first batch of the circuit boards, Wozniak sold his HP-65 scientific calculator while Jobs sold his Volkswagen van.[26][27]

to me he just seems like a businessman, not a developer

He was a moron, he died from eating too much fruit against the advice of his doctors.

That’s all you need to know.

I mean, no. He died because he tried alternative medicine BS to treat his pancreatic cancer instead of actual medicine.

His doctors didn’t tell him to stop “eating too much fruit”.

Well he did think different. That includes his thinking about medicine.

So there are pros and cons to thinking different.

I’m not fan of Jobs but people are so eager to shit on him and hoist up “poor forgotten Wozniak” that they ignore all the credit and praise Wozniak himself gives Jobs.

Yeah, but a lot of that praise is because Jobs did what Woz couldn’t… On the other hand, Woz did what no one else could.

I have the deepest respect for Woz but yes once in a while jobs had interesting ideas that people that wasn’t possible because he had some engineering sense and understood what was/wasn’t reasonable to ask for in a product (Unfortunately that is not how he behaved with people, hence why he is rightfully remembered as a sociopath of the worst order).

It’s one thing to ask for the impossible because you’re ignorant/arrogant and not considering what is actually feasible. But Jobs’s track record was actually pretty good when it came to calling for things that people were skeptical of yet were absolutely possible, as evidence d by the products they would put to market. The iPod was considered a moonshot at one time.

Right, he demanded “NO FANS” on most products and caused all those components to overheat. He was a true visionary.

He was a marketing and brand genius I give him that.

well you try recording music on a pc with a stupid fan that won’t shut up….

he did a lot of good and bad things… but more than “just a businessman” b.s.

I volunteered at a university radio station a few times and was taught how to cut out AC/Heater/Fan noise from a recording using audacity on what I think was my second time going in. Recorded a PSA about cancer screening.

It’s been almost a decade and a half so I don’t remember exactly how, but the point is that it was something they taught people effectively walking in off the street.

I’d imagine it’s different with a non-constant fan, but you can force computer fans to a consistent 100% speed through a handful of different ways.

It’s just a low pass filter. Since human speech is massively out of the frequency range of a fan, you can just delete that whole frequency wholesale.

Audacity (or Audition/Cool Edit how the old guys know it) is a bit smarter. It can analyze a recording of the noise floor and then just attenuate that. It’s bad for quality music but good enough to improve speech, old tape recordings and records.

i’m aware of this, but it definitely reduces sound quality

That’s true, he did more than just marketing and management. According to reports from his employees and C suite, he was also the one organizing the LSD parties and sometimes firing people HR had just signed a contract with.

hate to break it to you but:
lsd is a wonderful drug and a big reason why they were so innovative… and a big reason why we have the internet at all….
you may have been… misled into thinking an LSD party is like a crack party or something, but people who take lsd are actually interested in expanding their mind and it’s nothing at all like what the man says it’s like.
for example, here’s one paper on it:
….
i don’t think he was a very good person… pretty terrible with how he treated his daughter and employees… but i do think he was very smart, creative, and legitimately concerned with expanding human potential through computers… and successful in that.

the structure of dna was discovered on lsd… much of the internet was created on lsd… one of ibm’s best programmers wrote a good paper on how lsd helped him hold an entire compiler in his head at once… much of silicon valley is currently microdosing lsd (and that’s in San Francisco, btw… capital of lsd).

in short, him throwing lsd parties is one of the best things he did….

(also, bill gates took lsd because of Jobs in order to be more creative, and then became one of the biggest philanthropists ever)

I made zero qualitative statements about LSD - I’m not sure where this mix of a rant with defending the drug came from. You can use it without freaking out about any mention of LSD online, I wasn’t “misled” about anything and made absolutely zero statements about LSD itself.

But as a biologist, I’d like just to respond to your statement:

the structure of dna was discovered on lsd

No it wasn’t, I’m not sure were you got that from, please refrain from making statements about fields you do not have experience with.

https://maps.org/2004/08/08/nobel-prize-genius-crick-was-high-on-lsd-when-he-discovered-dna/

Crick, who died ten days ago, aged 88, later told a fellow scientist that he often used small doses of LSD then an experimental drug used in psychotherapy to boost his powers of thought. He said it was LSD, not the Eagle’s warm beer, that helped him to unravel the structure of DNA, the discovery that won him the Nobel Prize.

please refrain from being a condescending jerk just because you’re a biologist….

and you certainly implied that throwing lsd parties wasn’t a good thing… but it is.

You’re doubling down on it? The structure was figured out after Rosalind Franklin, an absolute genius on X-ray diffraction, collected all the data that Crick and Watson used and purposefuly didn’t credit. It wasn’t LSD, it was their female colleague, who gave them the missing information required to infer the proper shape.

You seriously can’t see how the way you wrote that comment all but explicitly states that the LSD usage was a bad thing?

If that wasn’t your intention you need to critically re-examine how you write.

can’t see how the way you wrote that comment all but explicitly states that the LSD usage was a bad thing?

Don’t bring your preconceptions to my comment, or at the very least, don’t accuse me of subtext with your own delusions as a source.

My comment was mocking Steve Jobs’ productivity, as in, what was he actually working in. LSD parties and interfering with HR is not working directly with the engineering and quality of the products. That’s the extent of the comment. Your perceptions on LSD are irrelevant to me.

Dune. Mentats. Those guys did LSD, obviously. Thoughts acquire speed and clarity.

LSD definitely helped me understand calculus…
that and Shpongle

I’ve had some delightful times on LSD.

Also, it (and some other things) led me to meditation. And that’s real magic.

It was PCR (the DNA amplification technique) that was invented by a guy who took a lot of LSD and who credited LSD for the creative spark

There was a recent veritasium video about it

Neat. More LSD for research scientists!

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