You are viewing a single thread.
View all comments View context
75 points

Both sides are corrupt.

One side is corrupt despite the well-intentioned support of principled people.

The other is corrupt by design, enabled by the narcissistic support of bigots and sycophants.

The former might do the best thing for the country.

The latter will always do the best thing for their own self-interest.

None of our leaders or representatives should be expected to resist corruption. That’s why we need checks and balances against corruption, and we as voters need to hold those representatives accountable.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

we as voters need to hold those representatives accountable.

But if we don’t vote for covert corruption then overt corruption will win.

permalink
report
parent
reply
5 points

If you give up and don’t vote, then all corruption wins.

permalink
report
parent
reply
1 point

The more corruption settles in, the less effective voting becomes. This is why the citizenry has civic duties beyond voting.

permalink
report
parent
reply
2 points

It already does. That’s why ppl are becoming apathetic

permalink
report
parent
reply
-4 points
*

Candidate one: vote for me, the other guy is satan!

Candidate two: vote for me, the other guy is satan!

Candidate three: vote for me, I’ll work to improve your life by x,y,z.

All Media, right, “left,” center: candidate three is a Communist Nazi that wants you dead and wants breadlines!!! A vote for candidate three is a vote for your own death!!!

I love our Choices™

Edit: I should have been more clear, I wasn’t referring to a 3rd party.

permalink
report
parent
reply
4 points
*

Candidate three might be a Nazi or a communist or they might not. Same goes for candidates four and five. The point is that in our current system the combined ~1 million votes they get isn’t anywhere near enough to matter compared to the ~70 million each received by the two major parties.

permalink
report
parent
reply
3 points

Our choices suck. I agree, and we should work to fix that.

But we have a system for fixing it, and we need to fix the sytem to fix anything else. The system is run by two parties.

We can try to fix the system by fixing one of the two main parties, but then that party has to win or all of our hard work is meaningless.

We can try to fix the system by supporting a third party, but the system prevents third parties from being competitive, so we need to fix the system before this is a viable option. This option includes violent solutions, where by we overthrow the government by force. This is, in a way, supporting a third party, and in the same way it is completely unrealistic. You’re not going to take down the US government with the firearms they let you buy.

We can try to fix the system by appealing to all voters that both parties need to be fixed. The problem there is that one of the parties is only viable because the system is broken. It is the party of corruption. You cannot appeal to that party’s sense of duty or propriety, because it explicitly opposes those concepts on principle.

So we’re left with three imperfect solutions to a difficult problem. A fourth option is to give up and fuck off. But that’s not so much a solution as a concession.

Of the three, only one of them seems actually viable. None are guaranteed to succeed, but at least one could conceivably be successful. The other two are doomed by design. Especially during the election season, when it’s too late to enact meaningful change to the structure of the elections.

permalink
report
parent
reply
12 points

Nice and concise

permalink
report
parent
reply

News

!news@lemmy.world

Create post

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil

Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.

Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.

Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.

Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.

Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.

No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.

If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.

Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.

The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body

For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

Community stats

  • 14K

    Monthly active users

  • 10K

    Posts

  • 197K

    Comments