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So we should vote for the more evil?

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No, you should vote for a different lesser evil that they prefer even though it will be even less effective

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Fuck no. You don’t get to pull out “less effective” within a day of Pelosi shuffling a 74 year old cancer patient into the most critical committee position for fighting Trump. That’s exactly the effectiveness you get with Democratic establishment habitual losers.

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It would be a ‘critical position for fighting Trump’ if you hadn’t voted Trump in.

The “habitual losers” won last time around.

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The Democrats having practically negative effectiveness is still infinitely more effective.

Obviously voting for dems isn’t going to produce the fundamental changes we need, neither is voting third party or not voting.

Dems will at best slightly slow our descent into fascism. That gives us slightly more time to build dual power and engage in direct action.

We’re far behind, and need every second of time we can squeeze in.

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No, you should band together and grind the system that only presents evil options to a halt.

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Very altruistic and yet completely unrealistic.

Be real.

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That is something you do outside of electoral politics. You will not achieve that by not voting for the lesser evil.

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No you do both. Voting is the hedge if the “tear down the system” plan doesn’t work. It hasn’t worked here for 250+ years and a civil war, but it is because of voting and labor action and protests we have made any progress.

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When people have limited choices to vote on, voting for a or b does not make them like a or b.

It just means it’s a “boiling the frog situation” when gradually changing the goalposts makes people not notice the real issues.

The average American really has not changed that much from the past generations, but the candidates that are allowed to run in either party have drifted rightward.

If I want to vote for green, and I can choose only on a greyscale, my interpretation of which shade of gray might be closest to green might be a personal choice, highly disputed.

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Yes, what shade of grey is closest to green is unclear, but there are only two shades of grey that can win. I’d be ecstatic about dumping my shade of grey if anybody could explain how it would bring us closer to green.

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