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186 points

Fucking of course he did. Jesus christ.

This is why I say that the DNC is fully dead. AOC and the rest of the young progressives in Congress need to just get with Sanders and straight up found a new party. This is so fucking dumb.

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4 points

I can’t wait for a new left party.

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5 points

Hey hey, it’s not fully dead, it just has terminal cancer.

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Founding a new party would make them Jill Stein. Nobody wants more Jill Stein.

Those of you with Dem congressmen, write in and tell them you want AOC. They’re the ones responsible for this shit. Don’t make dumb threats about the general, but you can absolutely consider primaries. Your vote goes farther in the primary. That’s where the difference can be made.

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You’re only Jill Stein if you don’t actually try to form a real political party. Such a new party would actually attempt to be a real party, gunning for seats up and down the ballot in every election. The Greens just grift at the top of the ticket every four years.

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He says, after the Dems just had a presidential candidate that did not even run in the primaries.

No, a new party is 100% the way to go, though it shouldn’t be hostile to the dems, e.g. not running for president until they have more congressman and senators then the Dems to avoid splitting the vote.

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I would straight up call it “the New Democratic Party” or similar. I wouldn’t even necessarily try to make a massive shift towards the progressive direction. Instead, design it so that it would be very easy for existing Democratic politicians to jump ship to the new party. Make it an equally large tent, and just serve as a one-to-one replacement of the existing party. Once the Old Democratic Party is dead and buried, then debates can be had about what direction to move the party politically. Instead, the main change would be structural reforms, reforms that would serve to allow the party to move in new ideological directions in the future.

I would make the New Democratic Party like the old one, except with a few key structural reforms that will prevent the dysfunction of the Old Democratic Party. Some possible reforms I can think of:

  1. No politician may run under the New Democratic Party banner while accepting corporate campaign dollars.

  2. Every nominee must have a full and competitive primary every single cycle, regardless of incumbency.

  3. Any party leader that holds a leadership role during a losing election will be ineligible to serve in party leadership for the next ten years. (True electoral accountability among leadership.)

  4. No system of committee appointments or positions within the party may be assigned based on seniority. Every position from top to bottom must be competitive. This is the DEMOCRATIC party. We don’t do inherited royalty here.

  5. Various reforms to greatly diminish the power of political consultants.

  6. A vice president is ineligible to be the party’s presidential nominee for at least 8 years after the end of their VP term. (Kill off the “it’s their turn” idea once and for all.)

In other words, in software terms, this would be a hard fork of the Democratic Party. It wouldn’t be an entirely new party that has to build a completely new base and tradition from scratch. It would simply be a new version of the existing party built with a few crucial reforms that will prevent the kind of sicknesses that currently plague the existing Old Democratic Party. The actual formal legal structure of the party would be entirely new, but it would be designed so that any existing Democratic politician could easily jump ship to the new version as long as they’re willing to agree with these few crucial structural reforms. It would essentially be stealing the party right out from under the existing DNC.

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6 points

Money. You need the DNC money. It’s easier than more fundraising. Like activating voters instead of switching them. Make your life easier.

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I was thinking that Trump was going to be the end of the Republican party, and the Democrats would pick up the slightly reasonable conservative position. Instead Trump made the Democratic party if playing to the right a farce and maybe that’ll end the Democratic party. I’m curious to see where things go. It seems like one of the two have to collapse eventually.

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4 points

You forget that financially the DNC strategy is very sound, even lucrative. This can go on for a very long time and things will get worse before they get better. Winning elections is not the objective when money is what fuels the machine.

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8 points

the slightly reasonable conservative position.

A little light genocide. Mild indentured servitude. A judicious amount of crippling poverty. Means tested mass incarceration. Just the right amount of war profiteering. Seasonal witch hunts.

You know, moderate conservatism.

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It means the people who can be reasoned with.

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