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No wonder Pelosi liked him.

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Phew, can you imagine these guys winning the presidency?

Wait… they’re the good ones!?

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They are mostly corporate neoliberal centrists. There are very few actual liberals or progressives left in the Democratic Party. They can’t deliver on any meaningful legislation because it always gets shot down by the Republicans or even their own party.

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185 points

Fucking of course he did. Jesus christ.

This is why I say that the DNC is fully dead. AOC and the rest of the young progressives in Congress need to just get with Sanders and straight up found a new party. This is so fucking dumb.

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I was thinking that Trump was going to be the end of the Republican party, and the Democrats would pick up the slightly reasonable conservative position. Instead Trump made the Democratic party if playing to the right a farce and maybe that’ll end the Democratic party. I’m curious to see where things go. It seems like one of the two have to collapse eventually.

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the slightly reasonable conservative position.

A little light genocide. Mild indentured servitude. A judicious amount of crippling poverty. Means tested mass incarceration. Just the right amount of war profiteering. Seasonal witch hunts.

You know, moderate conservatism.

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It means the people who can be reasoned with.

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You forget that financially the DNC strategy is very sound, even lucrative. This can go on for a very long time and things will get worse before they get better. Winning elections is not the objective when money is what fuels the machine.

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5 points

Hey hey, it’s not fully dead, it just has terminal cancer.

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4 points

I can’t wait for a new left party.

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Founding a new party would make them Jill Stein. Nobody wants more Jill Stein.

Those of you with Dem congressmen, write in and tell them you want AOC. They’re the ones responsible for this shit. Don’t make dumb threats about the general, but you can absolutely consider primaries. Your vote goes farther in the primary. That’s where the difference can be made.

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He says, after the Dems just had a presidential candidate that did not even run in the primaries.

No, a new party is 100% the way to go, though it shouldn’t be hostile to the dems, e.g. not running for president until they have more congressman and senators then the Dems to avoid splitting the vote.

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I would straight up call it “the New Democratic Party” or similar. I wouldn’t even necessarily try to make a massive shift towards the progressive direction. Instead, design it so that it would be very easy for existing Democratic politicians to jump ship to the new party. Make it an equally large tent, and just serve as a one-to-one replacement of the existing party. Once the Old Democratic Party is dead and buried, then debates can be had about what direction to move the party politically. Instead, the main change would be structural reforms, reforms that would serve to allow the party to move in new ideological directions in the future.

I would make the New Democratic Party like the old one, except with a few key structural reforms that will prevent the dysfunction of the Old Democratic Party. Some possible reforms I can think of:

  1. No politician may run under the New Democratic Party banner while accepting corporate campaign dollars.

  2. Every nominee must have a full and competitive primary every single cycle, regardless of incumbency.

  3. Any party leader that holds a leadership role during a losing election will be ineligible to serve in party leadership for the next ten years. (True electoral accountability among leadership.)

  4. No system of committee appointments or positions within the party may be assigned based on seniority. Every position from top to bottom must be competitive. This is the DEMOCRATIC party. We don’t do inherited royalty here.

  5. Various reforms to greatly diminish the power of political consultants.

  6. A vice president is ineligible to be the party’s presidential nominee for at least 8 years after the end of their VP term. (Kill off the “it’s their turn” idea once and for all.)

In other words, in software terms, this would be a hard fork of the Democratic Party. It wouldn’t be an entirely new party that has to build a completely new base and tradition from scratch. It would simply be a new version of the existing party built with a few crucial reforms that will prevent the kind of sicknesses that currently plague the existing Old Democratic Party. The actual formal legal structure of the party would be entirely new, but it would be designed so that any existing Democratic politician could easily jump ship to the new version as long as they’re willing to agree with these few crucial structural reforms. It would essentially be stealing the party right out from under the existing DNC.

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6 points

Money. You need the DNC money. It’s easier than more fundraising. Like activating voters instead of switching them. Make your life easier.

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You’re only Jill Stein if you don’t actually try to form a real political party. Such a new party would actually attempt to be a real party, gunning for seats up and down the ballot in every election. The Greens just grift at the top of the ticket every four years.

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That’s why Pelosi chose them, specially over AOC. She’s the other side of the US oligarchy, the one that’s ok with the slice of cake they have now and don’t want to push the US into a complete dictatorship just to try to get more. She’s one of the people in the democratic party that’s most abusing federal insider trading and conflicts of interests.

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Seriously. She’s just a smarter oligarch than Trump. She’s smart enough to realize that keeping a flawed and corrupt democracy is better than no democracy at all. She realizes there’s no real point in having wealth if you and yours have to live in some totalitarian shithole. And also, wealth tends to be very vulnerable to arbitrary confiscation in authoritarian regimes. Trump is an oligarch, but he’s just stupid and prideful enough to think that he and his will always remain at the peak of the pyramid, and that autocracy will work in his favor.

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She’s smart enough to realize that keeping a flawed and corrupt democracy is better than no democracy at all.

Playing Jenga with my democracy, smugly certain I won’t be the one who pulls the last block.

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She’s one of the ones we need to eat imo

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He is smart in that sense. He will be dead and gone. If he ever did love anyone he’ll be sure to tell them fuck you, too, because the man hasn’t felt joy since maybe being a small child.

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She is smart enough to make sure the democracy remains flawed and corrupt.

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The fact that we need to check for a D or R next to this person’s record just tells you that emphatically the two parties lines have been increasingly blurred.

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11 points

Pelosi and all other geriatric politicians need to retire

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2 points

more like these scammers should be jailed. only good thing that trump would do in his presidency is to send doj after them, but pelosi might already have made a deal with him.

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He’s also recently announced that he’s undergoing chemotherapy for esophagus cancer, which has a very low survival rate. It’s bad enough that the DNC will only allow corrupt geriatrics to hold the levers of power, but could they at least have found one that wasn’t actively dying?

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Esophageal cancer only has a very low survival rate in the late stages. If caught early it’s about 50%

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According to Wikipedia:

In general, the prognosis of esophageal cancer is quite poor, because most patients present with advanced disease. By the time the first symptoms (such as difficulty swallowing) appear, the disease has already progressed. The overall five-year survival rate (5YSR) in the United States is around 15%, with most people dying within the first year of diagnosis.

According to Connolly:

A few days ago, I learned I joined the ranks of millions of Americans. I have cancer of the esophagus. It was a surprise because, except for some intermittent abdominal aches and pains, I had no symptoms.

So, I’m not a doctor, but it sounds like he’s showing early symptoms, he only has a 15% or living more than 5 years, and he’s more likely than not to die within the next year. But even if you’re right, a 74-year-old, who is undergoing chemotherapy and has a coin-flip chance of survival, is leading one of the most important committees in Congress.

I’m not trying to be cruel to the guy; cancer sucks and it’s awful he’s going through this. But given how narrow the Republican lead is in the House, it’s irresponsible to have him just stay in Congress at all, since he might miss crucial votes. The Oversight Committee is going to be incredibly important for investigating the Trump administration, and having the top Democrat on the panel be a man going through serious health issues is insane.

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irresponsible you say? 😏” - Dem leadership

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Ah, so if you catch it early it’s a coin flip? Nice.

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That’s pretty good for cancer

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