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This will probably be taken down, but psychology is what I do so here it is. This is not endorsement this is an explanation as to why there’s different sentiment for this shooting.

This was stated in Trevor Noah’s latest podcast in open discussion. Josh Johnson raises the point. Most gun violence stories on the news, people personally feel threatened. Outraged that they or theirs could be at a music festival, a movie, at school. Most assholes with a gun are killing innocent people, never mind all the other bits. And most are clearly a little “crazy.”

This was targeted, killer on killer, no collateral (death/injury) damage. The CEO had kids that’s the collateral damage. There’s even a lady with coffee who walks on scene then nopes out unharmed.

This isn’t endorsement. This WHY the public as a whole doesn’t seem to mind. The guy who died killed thousands. That solves the innocent part. The killer doesn’t feel threatening to any of us. Because he’s not. That solves the threat. As for sanity, gun arguments aside, the manifesto isn’t unhinged.

And so we find ourselves in an unusual space. Understandably so. This is new.

No I didn’t read the article.

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The CEO had kids that’s the collateral damage.

Given his falling out with his ex-wife and penchant for alcoholism, they’re arguably better off without him, assuming he wasn’t already a deadbeat dad.

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As for sanity, gun arguments aside, the manifesto isn’t unhinged.

Just curious, what do you mean by “gun arguments aside”?

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I’m a gun owner. There is a subset of people who think that alone makes you unhinged as a human being.

Luigi is just crazy enough to do what he did (allegedly). Probably not even a gun owner beyond an engineer guy makes this tool/thing on his printer and then learns how to become proficient using that tool/thing. I don’t think Luigi was LARPing training exercises with an AK, with friends, in the northern MI woods. I think he probably approached it the same way the rest of us would approach learning Linux for our next PC build.

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I see, thanks for the clarification! I thought you were referring to the actual manifesto, and I was going to point out that the supposed real one didn’t mention guns at all, but if I recall correctly the fake one did. So never mind me.

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Sure. Can you explain why this guy gets charged with terrorism, but school shooters and Jan 6ers don’t?

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Perception management, probably. I thought terrorism applied to upsetting state entities not private ones. How, by any stretch of the imagination, is a private health insurance company part of the United States government? It’s bizarre. Jan 6 would fall under that umbrella for sure.

What do you think?

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My thoughts is they’re making an example of him because he went after the true ruling class - CEOs. And the Jan 6 ers went after “the help” so the cops don’t care. Just like when the children of the masses are gunned down in schools. Get a school shooter at the private academy the president’s kids all attend and suddenly the ruling class will care.

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The killer is not threatening to you until semeone decides that you deserve to be killed.

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I would say that if you find this particular killer’s motives personally threatening, you should probably resign from your day job and move into your bunker.

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Yes, exactly. I don’t think there is anyone in the world who knows me and believes that I, specifically, deserve to be killed. I think almost every person feels the same way. The rare exception being someone who has intentionally profoundly harmed or killed people.

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23 points

Have you killed thousands of people through insurance denials to make a quick buck? No?

Then you’re fine.

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22 points

Someone, maybe, a fair point. It will probably happen at work if at all given the boring, “helper” life I lead.

But not this guy. That’s the salient point.

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That’s the point. “WHY” did they decide it had to be you.

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16 points

You mean someone like Brian Thompson?

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You mean Brian Robert Thompson?

It’s a long standing tradition to refer to serial killers by their full name. Think John Wayne Gacy. It seems appropriate here.

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semeone decides

I would simply not deny Luigi his health care. And I’d sleep easy.

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Someone else may decide to kill you for a different reason.

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I haven’t killed tens of thousands of sick people so I’m safe.

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Someone might decide that something else you did is wrong.

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10 points

You watch yourself on that slippery slope now.

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I see you getting downvoted but a lot of doctors get death threats too, and while everyone seems to have a horror story about a doctor they didn’t like, I’m pretty sure most are the scapegoats of a broken system. So yeah, while Luigi’s target was well-chosen, I don’t trust every vigilante to be as smart.

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a lot of doctors get death threats too

I gotta wonder at the folks who have bombed (or threatened to bomb) abortion clinics and been lionized by pro-Life advocates. Even granted clemency by ultra-right wing Republican governors.

None of them seem particularly enthusiastic about this slaying, though.

So yeah, while Luigi’s target was well-chosen, I don’t trust every vigilante to be as smart.

The starkest comparison I’ve seen is Daniel Perry - who strangled a man to death on the subway - getting box seats with the President/VP and a full throated cheer from folks on the right.

Meanwhile, Luigi has enormous mainstream appeal, but enjoys virtually no positive coverage among liberals on the left.

The division is stark. It’s very obvious that vigilantism is encouraged by the state when it targets certain people. CEOs just aren’t on the approved list.

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Found the CEO!

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If the person you’re replying to was a health insurance CEO I would be extremely supportive of that.

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